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    Question Anybody has tried combination of NAS+Router+VPN for a collaboration of 2 or 3 people?

    Hi,

    Me and my friend are looking into buying Hardware on cheap side for Revit collaboration using VPN on a Router which has a NAS on it.
    This is the cheapest way I have found for having a central file on the NAS and everybody being able to work on it whenever they want without a Server or remote desktop or A360.
    Theoretically it should work.

    Just wanted to know if anybody has tried it and it is reliable for small projects of around 100MB Revit files. and if you are using it, let me know the Hardware.

    Thanks,

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    It will eventually corrupt the Revit model. Wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole.

    EDIT: BTW, just to be clear: What will cause corruption eventually, is working on a non-Revit Server or non-C4R project, over VPN. Standard Worksharing is not *built* for that purpose, and its only a matter of time before file corruption shows up. Its akin to packet loss, but for your Revit File.

    Putting a central file on a NAS is fine. All of mine are on a Synology DiskStation 1815+. But, no one works over VPN. Thats a no no.


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    Out of curiosity Aaron, what gets "lost" or f*&$s up working over VPN? I ask because that workflow is required at times for myself. Is it possible this happens when working on Navis files also?

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    VPN's drop time to time...and can mean data packets are incomplete, but Revit may think they are...eventually it catches up and realizes that something is wrong and then...yeah...model is toast.

    Cheap method...keep a computer the person can remote into over the VPN that is on the same network as the model. Lost VPN connection, the local computer is connected to the local model without issues.
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    Nice, thanks MP. Any idea if this happens when saving Navis files?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chompi0n View Post
    Nice, thanks MP. Any idea if this happens when saving Navis files?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPwuzhere View Post
    VPN's drop time to time...and can mean data packets are incomplete, but Revit may think they are...eventually it catches up and realizes that something is wrong and then...yeah...model is toast.

    Cheap method...keep a computer the person can remote into over the VPN that is on the same network as the model. Lost VPN connection, the local computer is connected to the local model without issues.
    Thanks for reply

    As I understand putting central in a NAS and connecting through VPN is a no no. Since buying another well equipped Desktop for Revit is not cheap,Do you think using Revit server can curb this problem?
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    Thanks for elaboration Twiceroadsfool

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    Quote Originally Posted by yushi View Post
    Thanks for reply

    As I understand putting central in a NAS and connecting through VPN is a no no. Since buying another well equipped Desktop for Revit is not cheap,Do you think using Revit server can curb this problem?
    Honestly? Not really. Not in your case.

    Revit Server is officially for use between multiple locations on a single domain, across a WAN. That means the machines in both locations need to be on the same network, with the Revit Servers on the same network. If you manage to get both Revit Servers connected through VPN, and handle all of the Name and address resolution issues, AND get the computers on the other end on the same VPN, and handle the name and address resolution issues there too, then you only have to worry about security and stability.

    But, if you have the know-how and resources to do all of that, coming up with the 1500-2000 bucks to build a revit capable machine is going to be much more cost effective. Its going to be several billable hours getting RS and all of the required stuff set up, and thats before you even look in to hacking it to work across machines that arent technically on the same WAN.

    Either:

    1. Get another machine and use traditional RDP or something like LogMeIn.
    2. Get C4R and host the model there.
    3. Break up your models differently so you dont need to be in the same file.

    Those are the only real choices, unless you get in to hacky stuff that i wouldnt trust with anyones files.
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    I'll chime in here with my experience and final solution as I've been trying to do the cheapo approach for years.

    Don't do these:
    • Dropbox etc sync - no, no, no for workshared files. It will corrupt at some point. And highly sensitive to user error.
    • I'll call it pseudo VPN - Egnyte Drive in this case - It seems like a traditional VPN, but there is caching going on behind the scenes, thus it will corrupt the Central at some point.
    • Traditional VPN - as the others noted above, eventually a corruption will happen.
    • Hosted - check out Frame We got it running for non-central projects just fine on a low cost seat. We got it also working with a hack and Egnyte Drive and a workshared file, ie pseudo VPN, which corrupted eventually. Frame will also host Revit Server etc but then you're out of the cheap range.


    This works: Remote desktop: cheapest, easy, works, no time lags:
    • typical project file size 75-150 MB
    • internet speed >50+ down, but <10 up, both ends
    • Cheap machine to drive Revit, used. I have a local vendor that gets Dell Optiplex on lease returns and refurbs them. We're using this model with 8g ram/new 2T HD, for $160 and it works just fine for our size revit models. Granted you can't render with it, but works for production. Set up to auto reboot on power failure.
    • Teamviewer for remoting is our current choice. Click and I'm on the remote desktop in 3 sec.
    • Files are on another workstation, but this isn't a particularly good idea but it works fine. Will be adding a NAS, and some battery backups. I can't get LAN wake up to work with the Dell as it's beyond my winging it knowledge level, but still working on it.
    • Straight Revit, No revit server.
    Last edited by FBlome; August 2nd, 2017 at 08:40 PM.
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