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    Upgrading Revit files (C4R, BIM 360)

    In Revit 2017, I can see all the projects in C4R where I have models. In Revit 2018, I don't see any. How do you get projects to be view-able in a new version of Revit?

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    C4R projects are version specific. A new, blank, project should show up. If you want to upgrade a C4R model to 2018 there is currently no way to upgrade it. You need to create a new project, download the files from that one, upgrade them, and re-initiate to the new project. Once a project has been used with a version of Revit you can't change it.

    I believe they are looking at way to upgrade them in situ, but it's not available yet.

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    I am waiting for the day that C4R is version agnostic. That could be a big selling point to switching solely to cloud service.

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    If I have to create a new BIM360 project, then I also have to download all the project data from each project and upload it to the new one? Along with re-inviting all the people that had access to the old project to the new one? For every project we have?

    I think it's going to be better to stop using C4R, there's no way I can justify that.

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    You can copy/move content from one projected to another, so that isn't too bad, but you do have to reinvite everyone.

    Same as with non-C4R model, we don't upgrade projects on C4R unless it's a major milestone and there is consensus from the team. Once 2018 is ready (for us, a couple addins are updated) for team members any new project would start in 2018, and likely stay there for its duration.

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    C4R is become a bit cost prohibitive for us anyway, since it's priced per user (and the whole team has to use it), so this sort of thing doesn't make it easy for me to justify it to management.
    Maybe it just needs more work first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyus View Post
    C4R is become a bit cost prohibitive for us anyway, since it's priced per user (and the whole team has to use it), so this sort of thing doesn't make it easy for me to justify it to management.
    Maybe it just needs more work first.
    C4R costs a user approximately 38 cents (US) per person per hour, based on 40 hour work weeks and 52 weeks a year, on a yearly C4R subscription of $800US. That's ~$3.00 per 8 hour day. The justification of the cost to management is that C4R is EASILY saving each user well beyond $3.00 per day of billable time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott D Davis View Post
    C4R costs a user approximately 38 cents (US) per person per hour, based on 40 hour work weeks and 52 weeks a year, on a yearly C4R subscription of $800US. That's ~$3.00 per 8 hour day. The justification of the cost to management is that C4R is EASILY saving each user well beyond $3.00 per day of billable time.
    C4R doesn't actually save us any money though. It was useful when there were few users, and it let me work remotely, but paying an extra £900/person/year is a difficult expense for a small practice to pay. I'm sure the economies of scale work better in a larger company. If we don't have C4R, we just use the server in the office so it doesn't save us any money. I had to take a project out of C4R last week because we can't link IFC files into C4R files and one of the consultants is using Tekla.

    We would like to get rid of the server in the office and host all our project files online, but given that the only way to do with with Revit is C4R, we've had to shelve that idea for now. I think that we'll probably end up with all our files in the cloud, and the Revit models will stay on the local server.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cyus View Post
    C4R doesn't actually save us any money though.
    It does save you cost depending on your need/use.

    It's not a cost savings, per-se, but a cost offset. Consider what you're gaining with C4R. Now, recreate that in-house, with a server, an IT employee to manage it, administrate access control of outside users, WAN collaboration between long distance offices that span city or state lines, a great work-from-home/any location scenario, etc, and add it all up.

    So the question is this: is C4R exactly what your company needs? It may not be, especially if you guys are in a single office, have no need for work-from-anywhere access, have no need for WAN collaboration, already have an IT employee that can handle in-house Revit models with networking and backup support and everything in between.

    Scott is dead on though, given the facts of the included hardware, the connectivity and access, the speed, the unlimited backup and the unnecessary need to add to your current IT staff's direct tasks.

    -TZ
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    Like I said, it probably works better for a larger company. It's a nice tool that I'd much prefer to have, but it's more that than something we need to have. It's cheaper to have all the data on our office server currently.

    It's somewhat unfortunate because I convinced management that we would benefit from it, so we bought two licences for a year (when we were two people). Now that there's six of us, these licences are becoming redundant as it's an all or nothing solution and I'm taking projects out of C4R as we work through them, although I'm going to take them all out now that I have to in order to upgrade them anyway.
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