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    How to (NOT) use Legends in Revit

    Legend functionality in Revit. Can anyone tell me what the use is of this utterly worthless piece of crappy functionality? Ever since I started working with Revit I have been looking for ways around this that have a slight hint of intelligence in them. I've tried Phases, Design Options, live model Legends in separate views (which is not workable for large projects).

    But oh joy, oh joy: I finally found the solution.
    Now before anyone starts moaning about the pitfalls I must warn you. Please be gentil. I can't take anymore of this crap. Imho the second best building documentation software that does such a lousy job at actually documenting building components is a disgrace...

    Find the blog post here.
    I've added the test files to this post. Have fun, and let me know what you think (especially when you're positive about it, not so much if you don't like it )
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    In the generated assembly views is it possible to tag the nested families, like frame, panel, hardware?

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    As long as they are Shared yes. Basically it's a live model view of just that single element. You can do anything that you could do in the model environment. Which is imho just what we need to properly document components.

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    With the changes in 2013 in how assemblies work in relation to sheets this might actually be viable. Prior to 2013 however an assembly can't reside on a page other than the one created for it...

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    True... I didn't use assemblies in 2012 either, amongst others for this limitation. But since that's resolved it's perfect for Legend purposes. If only we could multi-select elements and create separate Assemblies...

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    Martijn, you mean make a large(ish) selection and a) have it make an Assembly for each family in there individually or b) in small (intelligently grouped) clusters?

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    For instance:
    I have 20 doors, type A.
    What I would like is to be able to do is:

    1. select one type A, create assembly "Door type A".
    2. select second door type A, right click, select all instances
    3. replace all selected doors with assembly "Door type A".

    That's option a) rght? Creating Assemblies for, let's say, all doors in the project at once where Revit recognises the different instances and smartly creates assemblies would be totally awesome but maybe somewhat overdoing it. Can't oversee possible consequenses right now...

    Basically, the major pitfall with assemblies is that you need to manually replace each and every instance with that assembly to be able to fully utilize them. And that's eating up a LOT of time.

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    So that means that you need to re-do schedules as well? How about mix of methods - create element in previous phase and make assembly for fast documentation?

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    Martjin,

    In the blog post, you commented on legend views lack of functionally for text notes and diagrams etc..

    "Legends suck. They suck for text notes, they suck for diagrams..."

    How do you presently handle setting up typical notes and typical legends etc…? I have all of our typical notes and legends set up using legends views, mainly because they can be used on more than one sheet, and we can maintain text styles/dimension styles in the Revit template file (as opposed to using families). From this perspective, imho, it is easier to maintain office standards.

    Assemblies in 2013 defiantly solve a lot of issues for building legends with modeled components and I agree, hands-down, that it is probably the best way to handle developing legends/schedules for modeled components, just curious about how you deal with typical text notes and legends.

    As always, thanks for another excellent post. Great information here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cerb0z View Post
    So that means that you need to re-do schedules as well? How about mix of methods - create element in previous phase and make assembly for fast documentation?
    Im not following... Why is that?
    The doors themselves are still "there". You can keep using your old schedules. Just add one field "Assembly Name" to check whether all your doortypes have been added to an assembly and documented.

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    Martjin,

    In the blog post, you commented on legend views lack of functionally for text notes and diagrams etc..

    "Legends suck. They suck for text notes, they suck for diagrams..."

    How do you presently handle setting up typical notes and typical legends etc…? I have all of our typical notes and legends set up using legends views, mainly because they can be used on more than one sheet, and we can maintain text styles/dimension styles in the Revit template file (as opposed to using families). From this perspective, imho, it is easier to maintain office standards.

    Assemblies in 2013 defiantly solve a lot of issues for building legends with modeled components and I agree, hands-down, that it is probably the best way to handle developing legends/schedules for modeled components, just curious about how you deal with typical text notes and legends.

    As always, thanks for another excellent post. Great information here.
    I have them setup as generic annotations that I drop on sheets. This way I can make them parametric (hide stuff that's not applicable in the current project, change certain values, and so on). They are preloaded in my template and prepolutated on my placeholder sheets.
    The whole argument about being able to maintain text styles/dimensions doesn't fly anymore once you setup your template. These things are one of the first to be set and will (usually) stay that way for a long period of time. Having the ability to check some boxes, change some parameter values and have those pesky things auto-update far outweighs the remote possibility I need to change text style or dimension imvho. (to be fair: my last template was the first in 8 years to use Generic Annotations instead of Legends for this kind of stuff).

    When I need to add/change something, I just open the template file, edit the families, reload in both project and template file and presto.

    Will be coming a blog post about creating parametric general notes and such shortly (was asked for in another thread), but I have to work sometimes too...

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