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    filtering of schedules

    In my column schedule steel and concrete columns are appearing. How can I separate those 2 types of columns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wimal View Post
    In my column schedule steel and concrete columns are appearing. How can I separate those 2 types of columns.
    you can filter those components by creating a comment like STEEL or Concrete and by assigning that comment to each element, that way you can easy filter it, HTH

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andres Franco View Post
    you can filter those components by creating a comment like STEEL or Concrete and by assigning that comment to each element, that way you can easy filter it, HTH
    But it's almost always best to retain the <Comment> parameter for, er, comments, and populate other, more appropriate parameters for such properties, for example; any of (or preferably all) :
    material
    keynote
    assembly code
    type mark
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    filter by structural material = steel (or concrete)
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    I agree that filtering by material is the way to go. You can also save yourself some time in the future by creating View Templates for your column schedules that automatically apply those filters.

    Our structural template has three column schedules - one that shows all columns, one that shows concrete only, and one that shows steel only. We have filters by material for concrete, steel, and timber, since we occasionally have timber columns on concrete podiums and we don't want timber columns in our schedules either.

    If you do create View Templates for your column schedules, be sure not to check include for "Column Locations per Segment" in the template settings. For some reason this parameter doesn't propagate properly to views with the template applied, so you need to uncheck it and edit it in each schedule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate View Post
    I agree that filtering by material is the way to go.
    On the subject of (scheduling by) "material", I have to ask are we talking about:
    (Revit) material assignments?
    the text parameter?
    the classification associated by populated OOTB Omniclass / Uniclass / keynote parameters?
    the classification associated by populated custom parameters?
    some other?
    some of the above?
    all of the above?

    I ask because (so far) there's only been talk of/between "Steel" and/or "Concrete" when we all know there are many a different grade for such - and since we're talking schedules, I'm curious.

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    That's a good point to clarify.

    Right now we are filtering based on Revit's Structural Material parameter. Since we can't filter structural material using the "contains" method, we have a filter for each grade of steel. It isn't as elegant as I might like, but with the View Templates already set up you don't need to bother with the filters too much.

    For concrete and timber, we are currently using the generic materials (Concrete, Cast-in-Place gray and Softwood, Lumber) so those only require a single material filter.

    Eventually I think we'll want to create materials for different strengths of concrete and grades of timber to create more useful takeoffs, and when that happens our filters will have to expand as well.

    I haven't dug into the keynoting or the Omniclass parameters too much yet, so that might well be a more efficient way to do it - do you have a preferred method among those you listed?

    The only thing I'd be hesitant to use would be text parameters, due to the potential for a user to forget to update it correctly or to have a typo that would throw other scheduling off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kate View Post
    Eventually I think we'll want to create materials for different strengths of concrete and grades of timber to create more useful takeoffs, and when that happens our filters will have to expand as well.
    "We" (who are Architects) do this for our finishes, and build-up materials like gypsum-board, using custom-SPs for Material assignments - but that's more type driven so somewhat easier to manage "global control" during QA - whereas I've that the OOTB templates would have structural elements material assigned by instance - something I undid (to type controlled) when I developed our generic elements for use pre-instruction of an S.Eng. outfit.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kate View Post
    I haven't dug into the keynoting or the Omniclass parameters too much yet, so that might well be a more efficient way to do it - do you have a preferred method among those you listed?
    The <Omniclass> parameter is a dead-end for us, since it's not a commonly used classification here (in the UK) but more because it's family-tied, rather than type-tied, necessitating 2No. families "just" for rectangular sections (though arguably there, an RHS has not the same profile as a lumber beam)

    The <Keynote> parameter gets a lot of love here (in my office) as we tie it to our specification (which is currently written to CAWS) - but then we're not Structural, and I'm not au fait enough with a structural specification to know if sub-clause identities of grades within a spec. is a thing.

    I'm generally quite fond of the <Assembly Code> parameter that's tied, OOTB, to UniFormat - since it's a classification system that's had a bit more luck making its way across the pond - but even then, to my knowledge (limited) that doesn't step down deep enough to grade.


    Quote Originally Posted by Kate View Post
    The only thing I'd be hesitant to use would be text parameters
    To clarify, I meant the <Structural Material> parameter there, not a custom one. But agree nonetheless with your noting such risk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    the OOTB templates would have structural elements material assigned by instance - something I undid (to type controlled) when I developed our generic elements for use pre-instruction of an S.Eng. outfit.
    This is a really interesting idea - it seems vastly superior for QA purposes, and makes more sense - I can't really imagine a situation where a single beam or column is going to be a different material from all the rest.

    I haven't done too much customizing to the OOTB structural families, but I will definitely be investigating making material a type property.

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    You can make Material a Type Property, while making the Material Finish (Revit Paint in the Family) tied to another Instance property, which makes Rendering Structural Models even easier, as then you can account for painted structure. Thats my choice.
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