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    How to model a long ground beam with piles?

    I uploaded a picture of what I want to model.

    I have found a ways of modeling the gorund beam, using structural footing wall set in an underground level.

    However, I have no idea on how to model piles beneath the ground beam. All pile families I have found are reduced to a cap with 2 piles only, whereas I want to be able to create a continuous and long linear pile array.

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    do u need to schedule these piles as well?

    having an array family might hinder that espically if they all need to be different lengths that family could get rather large

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    I had some time this morning so i tried to make what you are after i not sure all in one family would be the best way to go.

    i made the top part as a structrual slab

    I made a pile family with a radius (also added a reporting parameter diameter) and a length made this family faced base so it could be place on the bottom of the structural slab.

    Every piece would then also be pretty easy to schedule as well

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    Beams = system beam family, piles = custom family, spacing controlled with array.

    How to model a long ground beam with piles?-foundations-3d.jpg
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    I would personally, model each pile separately.
    Why? Because the locations/spacings/data are rarely going to be identical throughout.

    If you want to export details about the piles to a schedule, I think you will find it really hard to manage the data being spat out by this family.
    It's not impossible its just a terribly advanced family for not a whole lot of gain.
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    Why not to model ground beam as a beam and piles as columns? That's what they structurally are anyway.

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    Because with revit scheduling is the limiter.

    If you just want a 3D model that looks right, sure you can use columns.
    If you want to export DATA then you need to model the right element for the job.

    Piling schedule for one will have different information and parameters available than columns.
    In addition, graphically, my columns might not look the same as bored-piers on my presentations.
    Or - my piers might be different material (which again will affect the graphic representation)

    Also tagging...I need to use column tags (again reporting what parameters?) rather than pier tags...
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    of course using the proper element gives you proper information for output, but as I learned long time ago (mainly applies for Revit): if you cannot make it, fake it
    I did few jobs where piles where just columns. Apply new material, custom tag and schedule looks just perfect. If there are different cut off levels or special requirements for the schedule etc it obviously is better to use piles.

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