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    Wall Openings

    Hello Everyone,

    I wondered which way (if any) is the correct way to create openings in a wall, I prefer using the family types, structural openings and create door types etc and host them in my walls, my colleague made a wall and amended his profile to trace around where the door would be, there is also wall opening located on the opening TAB?

    How do these methods behave differntly?

    Cheers

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    there is a wall opening family in the door family folder i would highly recommend that for all doors since you can just switch the wall opening out for a door easily

    Tracing a wall opening in profile for this is counter productive as it will have to be removed to place your door, the wall profile i have always used for things such as stepped wall foundations or closing the gap on a roof for example an A frame roof

    The wall opening tool is more for things like conduits or pipes to pass through walls

    Be aware the wall opening tool can not be used to make things like beam pockets in walls those must be made with void familes in a beam or modeled in place void familes

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    Cheers Darius,

    Indeed I always use the wall opening family, I was just wondering why ways are better, apart from the obvious changing of door opening family types will obviously be quicker throughout your project.

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    Quote Originally Posted by juangambino View Post
    Hello Everyone,

    I wondered which way (if any) is the correct way to create openings in a wall, I prefer using the family types, structural openings and create door types etc and host them in my walls, my colleague made a wall and amended his profile to trace around where the door would be, there is also wall opening located on the opening TAB?

    How do these methods behave differntly?

    Cheers
    The lore I have been told about the wall opening tool is that is was created specifically for creating a wall opening in a wall that is curved in plan. There is no way to edit the profile of a wall curved in plan and a component(door) opening would work fine at smaller sized openings, but will not work so well if you need a bigger opening in a wall curved in plan. So that is why the "wall opening" tool was created way back in the early days of Revit.

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    I think you mean Best Practices=Better way?

    I outlined some of my best practices above in the previous post I have found those ways to be the quickest for those items is there something specific that you are looking for

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    I never use the (wall) opening tools - and delete them, without question, when I find them (like I do shafts* and ramps) - since they're incredibly dumb.

    Instead I use a selection of hosted-families (some by-wall/roof/ceiling, but most by-face) since "openings" (more often than not) are treated with fire-stops and such, and on occasions need to be dimension (centre, drill-point, of circular-pipework-builderswork) and even scheduled sometimes - all things the opening tools are useless for.

    *...but that's not to say I'm a stubborn-minded purist, since I'll actually use in-place voids on occasions to cut things - since they at least respect phases, and don't buckle shape-edited roofs & floors.

    As ever, it's all compromise - and finding what works for you for the entirety of your work.

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    Like anything understanding their differences is important. For example if I need a round hole in a wall I could use a jigsaw, sawzall, Xacto knife, sledgehammer, hole saw, drill bit etc (or dynamite). Depending on the size of the hole I need any of those could provide a hole with varying degrees of accuracy, success and effort.

    Wall Openings in Revit apart from being a bit weird also affect room bounding differently than families that cut a wall.

    In the attached image:

    • Left side of Image: a Wall Opening doesn't respect (alters/affects) the bounding nature of the dividing wall
    • Center of image Image: a opening family does
    • Right side of Image: A wall opening allows area to extend "into" a host wall where a curtain wall needs to go while a curtain wall (top wall) that uses Automatically Embed (bottom wall) instead does not.
    • Added image (right image) shows same conditions but with using Edit Profile on the wall in the left side of the image.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Wall Openings-openingdifferences.jpg   Wall Openings-openingdifferences02.jpg  
    Last edited by Steve_Stafford; December 19th, 2013 at 10:01 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve_Stafford View Post
    In the attached image:
    Just out of curiosty; What was the view range cut plane? And the height of the opening, (both system and family) ?

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    Cut Plane is stock imperial 4'-0" (1200mm ish) If the wall opening comes into contact with the Computation Height of the host level it "affects" the room bounding. Added a wall opening (like a window) to the middle building.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Wall Openings-openingdifferences03.jpg   Wall Openings-openingdifferences04.jpg  
    Last edited by Steve_Stafford; December 19th, 2013 at 10:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve_Stafford View Post
    Like anything understanding their differences is important. For example if I need a round hole in a wall I could use a jigsaw, sawzall, Xacto knife, sledgehammer, hole saw, drill bit etc (or dynamite). Depending on the size hole I need any of those could provide a hole with varying degrees of accuracy, success and effort.

    Wall Openings in Revit apart from being a bit weird also affect room bounding differently than families that cut a wall.

    In the attached image:

    • Left side of Image: a Wall Opening doesn't respect (alters/affects) the bounding nature of the dividing wall
    • Center of image Image: a opening family does
    • Right side of Image: A wall opening allows area to extend "into" a host wall where a curtain wall needs to go while a curtain wall (top wall) that uses Automatically Embed (bottom wall) instead does not.
    • Added image (right image) shows same conditions but with using Edit Profile on the wall in the left side of the image.
    Steve, These are great and could become a nice blog post, as they do each have use cases.

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