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    Dead Horse - Beating it

    So I was looking at our elevation symbol, we had been converting up from gawd knows how long ago, and decided it was a big ole mess.

    Here's our ACAD standard which is what mgmt wants me to match all the time.
    Dead Horse - Beating it-acad-sections.png

    I got the elevation marker in no problem. Whittled down the family to just have one "view" or direction available, threw a parameter switch to allow the text to rotate properly and done. End result:
    Dead Horse - Beating it-new-elev.png

    Feeling good about this revelation I said, "Well hell, what if the section mark could work better?" So I tried.

    GAwd that was awful. I get why it does what it does and am a little bit in awe at the black box that accomplishes it. But seriously? It is awful for us. I get it might be more function for some folks but here's where I have problems.

    1) it is too big. you can't really get it down to something compact and useful.
    2) Why is that silly "rotate with component" parameter there (true with many categories) if it is useless?
    3) I hate having to tell folks "that is just the way revit is, you can't change that part" (paging Marcello!) but I just can't figure a way around this.

    If you put a hatch region in, it rotates. If you put lines in, mostly they rotate. But a label? doesn't rotate. What if I....? nope Rotate w/ component... hahahahahhah, nope.

    Anyway, does anyone have ideas? I'm open. I can post the elevation tag if for some crazy reason you haven't already figured this out for yourself (I always think I'm the last to figure stuff out)

    I'll be right over here:
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    Man this is the best post I've read in months. Koodos

    Please posts your section family for the masses to take a look at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Cunningham View Post
    Please posts your section family for the masses to take a look at.
    I think I see what you did there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Cunningham View Post
    Man this is the best post I've read in months. Koodos

    Please posts your section family for the masses to take a look at.
    Really? Best post in months? Thanks but I don't see it, just a shot in the dark.

    Ok as requested. I'm posting both the elevation marker and what I played with. I really didn't get anywhere with the section head.
    Section mark is just different things I've tried. And here's some info on that via pictures:
    Dead Horse - Beating it-whyyoulie.png
    This does nothing as far as I can tell.
    Dead Horse - Beating it-anatomy-sectionhead.png
    This is what I mean by amazing mechanics. How does the "system" know which of these bits to rotate and which don't? How can I get a label (and a hatch region) to follow the line of the section? and not stay orthogonal (but readable) to the view.

    Maybe Santa will see this and give me a post Christmas present of the factory providing some insight.
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    Controlling Label Locations

    I have also been throttling a deceased quadruped. I have been working on controlling the location of text and labels. I have been able to make a label auto-center in geometry by making it a nested family of a label with two reference planes defining its origin. The label location can then be controlled through dimension parameters in the parent family. I used this to auto center titles in 'Detail Boxes' for our typical details. I will attach the families. I have not attempted rotational controls however. All I know about rotation is that you need to use reference lines rather than planes as planes have 'no ends' and will go wacky in certain situations.

    My main conundrum is getting the nested label in the 'Typical Detail Box' to 'Read' the parameters of what sheet the host Detail View is placed on. Does any one know if this is the direction to go or how to do that? or should I start another thread.
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    I'm struggling with the exact same issue as Tom. Has anyone come up with anything yet?

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    Scott,

    With regards to a section mark that is compact and more like what a lot of structural firms are used to? No. No dice so far.

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    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

    I have two questions:

    1. Why hasn't Autodesk worked this out by now?
    2. Why do I insist in continuing to try and make this work when I know, deep down, that I have tried everything?...

    Well, anyway... I guess I'll give up for the day. Or maybe...

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