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    Rhino for the uninitiated...

    I don't use Rhino. I don't plan to. But "we" do.

    And I just found a 3GB Rhino file on our server. Actually I found a good number of them.

    Now, given I've a 700mb Revit model in front of me most days, a 30 odd story residential tower modelled (so far) down to skirtings and small power equipment - imagining what a 3GB Revit model would/could have (in terms of model detail, views, sheets, schedules, etc) - I'm struggling to understand why/how/if a Rhino file ever needs to be that big???

    Perhaps it's my ignorance of the program, but unless it's chock full of megapixel textures (which it isn't) - shouldn't it be a lightweight model file? Yes, it has got 9No. 30 story towers & a site in it - but we're talking façades only - and not particularly complicated ones at that (they're articulated, but geometrically quite plain) - all of our tree/people/fluff work is done in Max - so, well, it doesn't add up to me.

    So basically, to those who do use Rhino, what's your thoughts?

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    All our architects use Rhino. If the design isn't to complex they use it up to DD. Those models are mostly around 100 to 200 mb. Urban design models are usually over 1 Gb because of the amount of blocks used. Exploding those blocks will reduce the file size. Complex models can get large aswell if we carry them all the way to CD and beyond. The more data, details and blocks you insert into a Rhino model the larger it gets. Only difference is that Rhino can us all cores so you barely notice any performance hit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew P View Post
    Urban design models are usually over 1 Gb because of the amount of blocks used.
    That definitely sounds like what we're dealing with - so I might just keep my mouth shut.

    But seriously? 1,2, 3GB? That's a whole crapload of bloat-weight for something so dumb and sacrificial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowyweston View Post
    That definitely sounds like what we're dealing with - so I might just keep my mouth shut.

    But seriously? 1,2, 3GB? That's a whole crapload of bloat-weight for something so dumb and sacrificial.
    Nobody uses Photoshop in your office eh? Those get huge too!! Think we had a 6GB one at my last office....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPwuzhere View Post
    Nobody uses Photoshop in your office eh? Those get huge too!! Think we had a 6GB one at my last office....
    Oh yeah, don't get me started on the fascination with all things Adobe. Sometimes I suspect many architects really wished they'd been graphic designers.
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    Can't do a "Save small" compression on that Rhino file? 3Gb truly is ridiculously large...for ANY type of file format for that matter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rbcameron1 View Post
    3Gb truly is ridiculously large....
    Which, by projection, would make the 4.5GB one I found absurdly large? Yeah, I know.

    So, Rhinoceroses*, is it feasible that this single 4.5GB is one active model file or a compilation of many? Obviously that's a piece-of-string question, but I'm not asking the originators of this file about their workflow just yet - I need an objective understanding first - because (essentially) it's these monster files that are prompting an unscheduled wave of hardware upgrades - and I'm sceptical - and feel we could mitigate that purchase request with better workflows.


    *nowhere near as good as "Reviteers"

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    If they're just using Rhino w/ Grasshopper to do "cool forms" that clog up the Revit model, then I suggest to you to suggest to them that Dynamo w/ Revit is faster, better and cheaper (since Dynamo is free). and performs the exact same function of Rhino + Grasshopper, but with 100% compatibility. Not sure about xref'ing or creating multiple files saves you much headache.

    Wild, wild guess, but I'm imagining the 3Gb+ file to be "Design A, copy to side. Design B, copy to side. Design C, copy to side" so on a so forth.

    "So your workflow is to use 1990's CAD techniques?" yes.

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    No, no grasshopper to speak of - and (so far) the Rhino models don't go anywhere near the Revit work.

    I stole a moment at the end of the day to open said monster file. Guess what? Our proposal, as in the work we're actually doing, nothing but a few rectilinear forms... oh and an imported Z-map covering about 10 acres of dense Central London!!!

    So although it's not a copy-paste optioneering clusterfudge, you're not far wrong with your 90's-esque CAD analogy!

    ...Oh well, that'll be a few purchase requests getting a firm kick back.
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    OK, so who is gonna be Dark helmet and chime in with the Ludicrous BIG model?

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