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    Rendering from Revit: Quality, Inexpensive and Fast, any suggestions?

    Hello all. So I am working on a project and I normally would take care of any rendering that may need to be done. The project deadline on this project will not allow me to do that with this project. Have any of you outsourced your rendering needs and if so who did you send it to? Were they cost effective, timely and responsive? I know back in the day people were sending things to drafting houses in India. Is that still a viable option?

    Thanks for the help in advance,

    JQ

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    I don't know what the culture or climate for service providers is like in the US, I imagine it's much the same as here in the UK where you'll have a wide gamut of offerings, some good, some not so. The cost/speed/quality triangle comes into play heavily - and IMHO you'll end up throwing good money after bad if you simply focus on fast/cheap - and because viz. Is so subjective I would avoid long distance relationships... Unless of course you're specifically talking about farming out the rendering alone (I.e. You've done model, cameras, lighting and materials already?

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    We've used services in China before. The results were pretty good but I don't know how the cost compares. You can check on some of the freelancing sites like Guru or ELance. The non-rendering jobs we've listed have had prices all over the place, ranging from a few hundred dollars to a few thousand (when we explicitly stated a budget of +/-$1000.)

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    quality
    inexpensive
    fast

    You only get to choose 2.

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    You can do it yourself, very fast, good quality--perhaps not as good as Max , Maya, or other hi-end "raytrace" apps, but the speed and other advantages will pay off quickly.

    Lumion Lumion 3D ? a new breed of architectural visualization 3D software.

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    I've developed some rendering techniques of my own that I'm glad to share. It was featured on Melanie's blog a few months ago. Following these steps should hopefully speed up your workflow process.
    Mistress of the Dorkness: Revit + 3dsMax: Utilizing Render Techniques - A Winning Combination

    I've used Lumion and was impressed at first, but with all the new iRay stuff coming out and just the beauty and accuracy of V-Ray and Mental Ray, Lumion just isn't quite where I want it to be. That being said, it consistently gets in the 3 to 4 out of 5 stars range. ALL DEPENDS on how far you want to take your visualization though. Lumion "packages" the best of AO, LES's, RP, etc...but there's not a real full control module. There's pre-packages environments and pre-set render modes but not individual control. You can bet the farms in China and India are using more high end visualization software's.

    I'd be tempted to know what you need rendered. One man's: "oh no a week of renders" is another man's: "I'll have it to you in a day @1080p resolution."
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    Quote Originally Posted by rbcameron1 View Post
    I've developed some rendering techniques of my own that I'm glad to share. It was featured on Melanie's blog a few months ago. Following these steps should hopefully speed up your workflow process.
    Mistress of the Dorkness: Revit + 3dsMax: Utilizing Render Techniques - A Winning Combination

    I've used Lumion and was impressed at first, but with all the new iRay stuff coming out and just the beauty and accuracy of V-Ray and Mental Ray, Lumion just isn't quite where I want it to be. That being said, it consistently gets in the 3 to 4 out of 5 stars range. ALL DEPENDS on how far you want to take your visualization though. Lumion "packages" the best of AO, LES's, RP, etc...but there's not a real full control module. There's pre-packages environments and pre-set render modes but not individual control. You can bet the farms in China and India are using more high end visualization software's.

    I'd be tempted to know what you need rendered. One man's: "oh no a week of renders" is another man's: "I'll have it to you in a day @1080p resolution."
    I actually have that article pinned on my Chrome Browser Tab right now. I haven't had time to run through it yet. I assume since you wrote it you know how good and fast it is right? Is this your preferred method of going from Revit to Max to final render? I know back in 2010 and 11 blogs and forum posts did nothing but bash the Revit to Max workflow due to size issues. I need to get some training on Max myself as I haven't used it as much as I would have liked over the years.

    Do you mind if I email you directly somehow if I need some advice/tips while trying out your workflow??

    Thansk for the info BTW

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    No problems JQ. Contact me anytime. 2010 and 2011's problems were still FBX related. What you don't see (or very briefly see) is in 2013, 2014 Max is that it still creates an FBX file, its just automated now and saves the database to a TEMP folder. So be careful when you "clean your C:/" drive for routine harddrive maintenance as it can clear those files out. The larger and more complex the revit model, the longer the load time is.
    My most preferred method is this: Model the heck out of it in Revit (while ALSO maintaining good modeling practices, keeping families small and not becoming a big group-maker), then render the first go in 3dsMax BUT using iRay. iRay is super fast and gives me the pros and cons of A) Light B) Materials C) Objects. If I like what I see then and only then do I take it to full 4K rendering with Mental Ray in Max. 99% of the time I miss a material in Revit so I fix it, reload it then test again.

    I "think" I've been selected to present this topic at Central States BIM Workshop in Omaha, NE this year in August. So if your company is available to send you, that's where I'll be. I plan on giving away some fresh Revit content too.

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    I figured as much. The FBX workflow used to be kind of a PITA but the couple times I used the ADesk Revit to 3DMAX workflow it seemed painless. Of course I didn't really do much more than that really so as far as the usability potential issues I can't comment on.

    Just as a catch up, we did find a regional freelancer who was able to get us a 3dsmax file but he didn't include the materials (of course) so I have asked him for those so we can take this render a bit further. Of course the final quality wasn't what me or my PM was expecting, but I digress. I did notice that the links to the missing materials folder had LUMION as part fop the folder structure. Does MAX and Lumion both use the same materials??

    I have messed around with LUMION's trial and was impressed with how fast you can setup a scene. The user interface is cumbersome in the fact that its hard to find the tool you are looking for in my opinion. The speed by which you can set up the scenes from nothing to finish is impressive though.

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    We used a guy on a project...actually, here is the outcome..

    I had a heck of a time getting the model information and views we wanted. First problem was the change of lens from Revit to 3Dmax to FormZ. And then it was getting the format to the guy in a form he could use. I spent almost two days doing this...it was one of the reasons we decided to get Lumion and do renderings In-House.

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