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    Question B.I.M - Where is it heading?

    Hi All,


    We are all familiar with B.I.M as a design tool. I'm interested in what people think the top 3 challenges are with respect to B.I.M and design in the next 1, 3 and 5 years will be.


    Also what do you think the new major uses of BIM/3D modelling we expect to see emerging in the same time frame? (e.g., VR for stakeholder collaboration and visioning sessions)."


    Your thoughts on the back of a postcard!!


    Cheers,


    Gavin

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    No survey?
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    It was more designed as an open ended option. A survey would limited the answers that people give.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtb View Post
    IA survey would limited the answers that people give.
    A survey is designed for exactly the purposes of obtaining solid, structured data, and a survey will only limit respondents if it is written by someone who does not understand how to frame a question for the purpose of collecting said data.

    Open ended questions lead to conjecture, rhetoric and debate, which is fine on a forum, but are useless to glean trend, pattern or weighting from responses.

    As it is; this isn't survey monkey, nor LinkedIn, and your questions posed sound quite academic. Since we're in the 'Out There' sub-forum, it's not a massive infraction of our forum preferences, but please consider whilst we are all for discussion, we are not here to provide a platform for the harvesting of opinions.

    I would encourage you check out the NBS' survey results - but take their "findings" with a (large) pinch of salt as the respondents represent only a very small data sample.

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    Thank you, i will look into those!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtb View Post
    with respect to B.I.M and design in the next 1, 3 and 5 years will be.
    Hopefully turning a profit for most designers. So far, for most designers, its been a costly exercise.

    "We need to use BIM because the client says so" or my personal favourite "we need to get Revit because everyone else is".

    Really? Really?

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    Wrong question to ask (here). Revit is not the same as bim, we all agree on that, I think. At least in infra there are at least 3 other software progs involved.
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    What differentiate BIM from the traditional 2d process is that you can start your design with a 3d sketch in BIM that develops into real buildable components with information, that further down the line can be documented and fabricated. This BIM process has been around quite a while in other industries. And while the software itself isn’t BIM, it‘s a vital link in the BIM process. Inventor or Fusion makes it possible that a Mechanical engineer can design using freeform intuitive tools and bring it all the way to fabrications all in a single platform. The only thing I can imagine in the coming 5 years of design within BIM in these industries would be more rule based and computational design tools added into these tools and integrating this with the use of automated generation for wide sampling options.

    Unfortunately, using BIM as a design tool in the AEC industry is pretty much nonexistent for the simple reason that the BIM tools here are geared towards documentation and coordination. Designers still rely heavily on general modelers like Rhino/Grasshopper or SketchUp which leads to somewhat a disruptive process. To make matters worse, Autodesk seems to ignore the whole design process in BIM and therefore indirectly contributes to this disruptive process. And again, while Revit isn’t BIM, you do need proper BIM tools to enhance the BIM and Autodesk’s influence on the AEC community is huge.

    So the situation in the AEC industry will not change (or maybe gradually) in the coming years unless off course a new company emerges that can steer the BIM process especially the design phase in a different direction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew P View Post
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    Unfortunately, using BIM as a design tool in the AEC industry is pretty much nonexistent for the simple reason that the BIM tools here are geared towards documentation and coordination. Designers still rely heavily on general modelers like Rhino/Grasshopper or SketchUp which leads to somewhat a disruptive process. To make matters worse, Autodesk seems to ignore the whole design process in BIM and therefore indirectly contributes to this disruptive process. And again, while Revit isn’t BIM, you do need proper BIM tools to enhance the BIM and Autodesk’s influence on the AEC community is huge.
    This depends on which technology us in use. Agreed, for architects who tend to rely on the Rhino/GH approach for design and documentation in Revit, running 2 models in 2 separate applications, the process is completely disrupting.

    But there are other not so mainstream applications out there which allow BIM from the get go. For whatever odd reason they are not marketed in this direction. They should be.

    And what's interesting about these applications is that they allow the architect to work in one application from start to end, killing the distruption. And its that distruption which kills the profit margins for the architect.

    Autodesk has attempted to plug the design process with FormIt but its still a separate application and has the huge challenge of winning over the SketchUp and Rhino base. Revit can't be a design tool as the underlying platform is not geared towards design flexibility. Re-write from scratch - no chance.

    Interesting times ahead.
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    I love when these threads head in the direction of "you can't make money using BIM," or "you can't design in BIM," even though firms can and have been doing so for over a decade. Next it'll be "well THOSE firms don't count cuz only THESE firms count cuz I said so and I'm the MAN..."

    LOL. I'm glad the firms I work with all make good money using BIM, and using it in Design.

    Sent from my Phablet. Please excuse typos... and bad ideas.

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