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    Whats the status of the www.Revitforum.org domain?

    So, many domains that have Autodesk Products in the primary domain name have been taken over by Autodesk, citing some legal trademark stuff. The two big elephants in the room that im curious about, are this forum and Revitcity. Obviously i dont care what happens to Revit City, but i do care what happens to this place.

    Im certain that if RFO had to get a new domain, you guys would make that happen and it would be pretty seamless... So i guess im just wondering if there has been any indication that it would be the case?

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    Do official Autodesk folks stop by the other sites? This is the only site I've seen factory reps post - although I don't frequent many other forums.

    my OT 0.02 - copyright law has become absurd. I would say that this site and many others fall under fair use and only serves to increase the viability, visibility and serves to increase the value of the product (Revit.)
    In United States copyright law, fair use is a doctrine that permits limited use of copyrighted material without acquiring permission from the rights holders. Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship. It provides for the legal, unlicensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test.
    As this site is commentary, criticism, news, research, teaching, archiving and scholarship I (personally) would say it's covered.
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    INAL, but just a little poking around, and I bet you could find hundreds of examples of various unofficial forums and blogs with trademarks used in the domain name... so I'm guessing it can't be too much of a legal problem.

    I suppose if Autodesk really wanted to make a stink about it and threaten to sue, RFO would obviously change its domain name before getting dragged into a legal tussle over it... but Autodesk would have nothing to gain by doing that and would just create a lot of really angry users and bad feelings. Let's not forget how upset people got the last time their favorite forums was ****** with. Anything more than requesting that it be made clear that RFO is not an "official" Autodesk site would be out-of-line.

    Autodesk folks have frequented AUGI, and I would imagine Autodesk's own forum ("discussion") site. That they occasionally post here in no way implies anything other than reaching out to users and trying to offer help like everyone else. But my guess is they like to hang here because this is where the cool people are.

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    I am starting to wonder if this isn't about the use of "Revit" in a domain name so much as there was a domain name that Autodesk wanted, and rather than being cool and saying "Hey, can we buy this from you?" they just went the douche route from the get go. If nothing else, if they really did just kill every domain that used their "property" they would do nothing but harm their users, and look like petty asshats to boot. The is benificial to Autodesk how?
    Not to mention, if they kill all those sites, what happens to all the links in wikihelp?! It would be crippling.

    That said, does anyone know what has been killed? A list of the dead would be good to compile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iru69 View Post
    INAL, but just a little poking around, and I bet you could find hundreds of examples of various unofficial forums and blogs with trademarks used in the domain name... so I'm guessing it can't be too much of a legal problem.

    I suppose if Autodesk really wanted to make a stink about it and threaten to sue, RFO would obviously change its domain name before getting dragged into a legal tussle over it... but Autodesk would have nothing to gain by doing that and would just create a lot of really angry users and bad feelings. Let's not forget how upset people got the last time their favorite forums was ****** with. Anything more than requesting that it be made clear that RFO is not an "official" Autodesk site would be out-of-line.

    Autodesk folks have frequented AUGI, and I would imagine Autodesk's own forum ("discussion") site. That they occasionally post here in no way implies anything other than reaching out to users and trying to offer help like everyone else. But my guess is they like to hang here because this is where the cool people are.
    My understanding is people with revit in their blog names wont be nagged because its not in the primary domain list, but thats primarily why i was asking: Not because im worried about the future of RFO, but so i know if we should be expecting a domain change soon, lol.

    But maybe theyre only doing it to certain folks, and not others.

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    Hmm, so that means RevitKid is safe, but RevitCity and myself might not be. And RevitForum might not be safe, but AUGI would be. Will be interesting to see. So far I have not been emailed, but then maybe they are only doing it via registered mail or something, and I haven't updated the address associated with the domain. But if more than just a few have been killed, that is a very bad sign. Whatever it is, it is petty bullshit. You don't see Apple whining about AppleInsider, MacRumors, CultofMac, etc.

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    Once upon a time... an old lady who made some AWESOME applepies registered appleforum.org to share and discus here knowledge on baking apple pies. The world loved the site, and even some of the apple farmers registered to share their knowledge, and maybe to learn a bit too... After a while, the company PIE INC contacted the old lady, telling her that the domain belonged to THEM, because THEY trademarked "apple" before she did...

    Seriously... I've been cc'ed in most/many of the emails back and forwards between Autodesk and the domain/blog owners, and even promised my co-moderators to be proactive and contact Autodesk, to see if a deal could be made... But WHY? On this forum we currently have 36 Autodesk employees registered as members, and they have made a total of 700 posts together. No reason to email them when they are reading my ramblings here anyway...

    I know, and have have been knowing (since I founded RFO), that Autodesk have a paragraph in THEIR OWN trademark policy about not using Revit in a domain name... but really... that doesn't exactly make it international LAW.

    That said - If Autodesk wants to take over the domain revitforum.org, they are free to contact me a munkholm@revitforum.org - Or even to show up at my doorstep, or give me a call:

    Klaus Munkholm
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    Telephone: +45 22135141

    Should they successively do so, we'll just make an rapid domain change to RFO - No big deal really - But Autodesk should prepare themselves to hire at least 100 full time technical supporters to fill in in the gap of lost goodwill among the members here.

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    Yikes! I wasnt trying to stir everyone up... Just wanted to ask as a proactive member, if we needed to be prepared for a domain change. If not, awesome!

    Doesnt make a ton of sense to me either, but im glad to hear (from Munk) that in the event it comes, a domain name change wont be that painful. Thats a relief at least!

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    Spoke to quite a few folk during AU about this.... Seems that it is just a "Domain Name" issue and not the particular actual name of site. So bloggers are safe, as long as your not hosting your own domain for it. (yeah, was kinda concerned my lil blog would get axed, as I liked what I came up with for a name)

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    I still don't understand what Autodesk actually GAINS? So they don't have anyone using "their" word? What real value does that give them, the right to say "neater"? They do have a measurable loss of support and discussion regarding their software. Users lose, and as far as I can tell, when users win, Autodesk wins, when users lose, Autodesk loses. So typically short sighted.
    Linking the wiki to these resources was the right thing to do, for everyone. Now, maybe, Autodesk has a cost to incur removing valuable links from the wiki. Or they leave the links broken, which doesn't look very professional. Or perhaps they have not been linking to non bloghost domains? Don't pay enough attention to the wiki to be sure off hand.

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