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    Ok, so it is time to stir the pot. Life is all too quite so I figure it would be good to liven things up a bit.
    Firstly, let me say this, My company is on subscription and we certainly CAN see the benefit of the subscription system. Saying that though, lets look at what has happened over the last two years.

    We had a core Revit staff of 5, with some support staff on contract as required. All of our machines have standalone licenses and are on subscription.
    Well, with the whole GFC and the construction industry nose diving, we like most had to reduce our expenses and believe it or not, the highest expense is wages.

    What this does then is leave some of our machines sitting, doing nothing and as such, relevant subscriptions might not have been maintained and therefore let to lapse. Yes, this would have been a considered decision.
    We are now faced with the issue of regaining some projects that were on hold and the need for these machines and licenses are once again required.

    But wait, what we would now have to do is pay a late fee and for the lapsed subscription and the new subscription so what we are facing is AU$550 Late fee + AU$1075 for the lapsed Subs and $1075 for the new subs, per license.

    Ok this is the policy of Autodesk, I understand that. I also understand that it is a part of the T&C's.

    What I am curious about is what others are planning to do when they can manage to increase their staff after the lean times and if they are faced with a financial hit to re-activate the dormant licenses.
    The last thing you would like to do is pay out on licenses you have previously paid for but due to financial constraints you have had to let lapse.
    Lets not forget that if the licenses are allowed to lapse too long (I think it is over 1 year), the late fee applies and you will then be required to pay 50% of a new purchase + the subscription.

    My debate is not if this is fair, these are the conditions we use the software. My curiosity lies in what others are going to do if they are faced with this issue?

    *had to edit. I re-read this post and realised that I was implying that we had let licenses lapse, this is not the case.
    Last edited by Drew; March 1, 2011, 12:00 PM.
    Andrew Harp
    BIM Manager GHD
    If you are not willing to learn, no one can help you.
    If you are determined to learn, no one can stop you.

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    My personal opinion- which i know many people here disagree with- is that they are being MORE than fair even LETTING us pick up relapsed licenses.

    They COULD say "you let that license lapse, now you have to buy the initial purchase of the new version," at 5500 dollars, or whatever. But theyre letting us suspend activity, and reactivate it, for a fee.

    If i decide not to drive my car for a year, i cant stop paying for it and leave it in the garage, only to resume payments later. Nor my house. Nor my computer, for that matter.
    Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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      #3
      We keep up our 9 subscriptions even though we haven't used all nine in 3 or 4 years.
      Rick Moore, AIA
      Barnes Gromatzky Kosarek Architects

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        #4
        We keep our subscriptions active too. The subscription fee is minor when you look at how much money a company saves by laying off the employee who was at that workstation. I think keeping the subscriptions active sends a positive message to the rest of the employees, in that those workstations will soon be occupied again.

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          #5
          As with other, I keep all subscriptions going whether we are using them or not. So as not to be hit with a big whack of money which may come at an inopportune time, I pay the subscriptions on a monthly basis.
          Last edited by Ian.Kidston; February 27, 2011, 05:53 AM. Reason: typo
          Ian Kidston
          http://allextensions.com.au

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            #6
            Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
            My personal opinion- which i know many people here disagree with- is that they are being MORE than fair even LETTING us pick up relapsed licenses.

            They COULD say "you let that license lapse, now you have to buy the initial purchase of the new version," at 5500 dollars, or whatever. But theyre letting us suspend activity, and reactivate it, for a fee.

            If i decide not to drive my car for a year, i cant stop paying for it and leave it in the garage, only to resume payments later. Nor my house. Nor my computer, for that matter.
            Like I said, I am not questioning the fairness of it.
            It is what it is and we all enter this agreement with our eyes open.

            Not sure if your comparison is appropriate though. At the end of the day, if you don't want to use your car you can sell it (depending on your arrangement with the bank of course), likewise your house. If your family shrinks, ie kids move off to college, or move out with partners you can always sell and downsize.
            The T&C's for Autodesk do not allow you to on-sell software, nor do you actually own it. The licensing agreement is more like a lease.

            Anyway, I am just curious to see what others do to ensure they don't end up in this situation. Thats all.:beer:
            Andrew Harp
            BIM Manager GHD
            If you are not willing to learn, no one can help you.
            If you are determined to learn, no one can stop you.

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              #7
              Good call.

              Let me amend my examples.

              If i leased a car...
              Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
              @Web | @Twitter | @LinkedIn | @Email

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                #8
                Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
                Good call.

                Let me amend my examples.

                If i leased a car...
                Very well then LOL
                Andrew Harp
                BIM Manager GHD
                If you are not willing to learn, no one can help you.
                If you are determined to learn, no one can stop you.

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                  #9
                  My main problem is Autodesk's refusal to adjust for exchange rates...
                  No way is a new license is worth $9000US!
                  Robert Costa, Principal
                  Breukel Costa Architects

                  Sydney, Australia

                  Revit on ...prescription...
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Drew View Post
                    ...The T&C's for Autodesk do not allow you to on-sell software, nor do you actually own it. The licensing agreement is more like a lease...
                    Not entirely true... you can sell a license, but it requires a written consent from Autodesk - A consent that comes with a fee between $200 and $1,100 depending on your location:

                    §3.2.3 in the License Agreement:

                    "Transfers. You may not distribute, rent, loan, lease, sell, sublicense, or otherwise transfer all or any portion of the Autodesk Materials, or any rights granted in this Agreement, to any other person or legal entity without the prior written consent of Autodesk."

                    Maybe you´ll find this thread interesting ? :beer:
                    Klaus Munkholm
                    "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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