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    2D Transparent Glass

    Here is one that has plagued me for years.
    Is there any way to make a glass material that is transparent in a 2d view.
    I want to do this with some families I have made (museum showcases) and would really like them to be transparent in 2D.
    You can do it with graphic override but that makes the whole component transparent, and in a 3D elevation glass material is transparent., but not 2D.
    Any ideas ?

    PS
    Klaus that 2 boxes of cookies !! They better be good !!

    Thought I would upload family to see if upload works.
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    Last edited by mark b; December 8, 2010, 09:34 AM.
    Mark Balsom

    If it ain't broke, fix it till it is.

    #2
    Not directly... But you can tell the glass to not be "visible" in elevation.... Ergo, it appears transparent. If its a SYSTEM family inthe project (curtain panel) you can also use Filters to select them and make them invisible or transparent. But directly, there is no way.
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      #3
      I would make a subcategory under the objects dialogue box (in 2011 speak while in family editor: Manage Tab > Object Styles > then make new subcategory for glass).

      The new glass subcategory (or whatever you call it) should show up as something separate that you can hide (uncheck) as a subcategory under specialty equipment (or whatever category you put the family in). And since it's view specific...

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        #4
        Another option is to use 3D views that are Aligned to elevation views. This will result in the actual amount of transparency defined in the material being applied. Very good for presentations and such.
        For Construction Documents, the other approaches outlined here work well.

        Best,
        Gordon
        Pragmatic Praxis

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          #5
          Originally posted by Gordon Price View Post
          Another option is to use 3D views that are Aligned to elevation views.
          Agreed. Turn on shadows along with gradient sky and makes great for schematic/presentation views like Gordon said.
          Chad Koscinski | Architect

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            #6
            Originally posted by mark b View Post
            Klaus that 2 boxes of cookies !! They better be good !!
            Oh, they are REALLY good - Just let me know when you´ll be picking them up or PM me with an address :beer:
            Klaus Munkholm
            "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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              #7
              I do use 3D views aligned mainly for presentations but I find them a bit restrictive when it comes to working elevations.
              The reason for the question is I am wondering how "override graphics in vew / by element / transparent" handles this.
              Does it hide the element and apply linework.
              Mark Balsom

              If it ain't broke, fix it till it is.

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                #8
                Mark,
                what is the goal here? Are you trying to show the shelves inside? Show that the front is glass? Eventually show actual trophies in the case?

                My approach is to have a Hidden Line Drafting Line on the front face at the top of each shelf, to show that there are shelves beyond, and to use a solid poche (the lighter gray) for the glass material. This communicates the material, and sets it off against the solid door cabinet next to it, for example, and also gives some indication of the interior layout. I have those hidden lines off in Course LOD, so simple presentation elevations aren't too busy, and off in Fine LOD so highly detailed presentation elevations look nice.
                I don't like the old tick marks for glass, because it is fussy drafting, but poche'd material does the job quick and consistently. BUT, I have no desire to actually show the contents of the cabinet, in elevation, and add tags. So that approach works for me.

                Gordon
                Pragmatic Praxis

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                  #9
                  Hi Gordon
                  I do a lot of museum design and fitout.We do a lot 3D presentation work through design concept stage. The glass would visually be better in elevation work so we can show what is beyond clearer. The showcase family I uploaded (one of many) does have symbolic lines attached to the shelves with a visability paramater attached to the line which in turn is tied into visability of the shelves so as to get the shelves to show in elevation.
                  I guess glass material being transparent would save having to tweak the families and would be visually better in elevations and instead of showing elements beyond with dashed lines. Show Hidden Lines does work well for this senario.
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                  Last edited by mark b; December 11, 2010, 02:22 AM.
                  Mark Balsom

                  If it ain't broke, fix it till it is.

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                    #10
                    Another potential workaround (more for small projects) is to temporarily hide the window/curtain panel and use the linework tool. instead of selecting each line individually, you can tab until the entire component is highlighted.
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