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    A View Range Puzzle

    The View Range settings should be cutting Wall 1 for this plan. Wall 1's height is 5'6" There are no Element Overrides. Even Walls 2 & 3 display the same behavior, but once the wall height is moved beyond the 6' height level, it starts cutting...You can see the View Range settings, it doesn't make sense to the graphic output.

    Orange is the Beyond line style
    Green is Wall category VG Projection line
    Red is Wall VG category Cut line

    Any ideas? Hope the screenshot is clear to those trying to help figure it out.

    -Kirk
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    #2
    Originally posted by kirklyncox View Post
    The View Range settings should be cutting Wall 1 for this plan. Wall 1's height is 5'6" There are no Element Overrides. Even Walls 2 & 3 display the same behavior, but once the wall height is moved beyond the 6' height level, it starts cutting...You can see the View Range settings, it doesn't make sense to the graphic output.

    Orange is the Beyond line style
    Green is Wall category VG Projection line
    Red is Wall VG category Cut line

    Any ideas? Hope the screenshot is clear to those trying to help figure it out.

    -Kirk
    Walls shorter than 6' are ALWAYS shown in a projected lineweight. See the "Additional View Range Rules" on the wiki help page for view range.

    View Range - WikiHelp
    Jeff Hanson
    Sr. Subject Matter Expert
    Autodesk, Revit - User Experience

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      #3
      Revit thinking it knows best yet again :-)
      -J
      http://about.me/JayZallan
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        #4
        Kirk,

        See if the linkwork tool overides can get your the graphic output you are looking for. I know its a last ditch move but from what JeffH says... its kinda the only way to go.
        -Alex Cunningham

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          #5
          I'm not sure if THIS works for line styles, but it works for patterns. It's worth a shot.
          Dan

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            #6
            That was something I didn't know. Thanks! It makes sense now...sort of...As long as I know the rules, I can break them when I need to.

            (notice how on WikiHelp the info came from a user and not Autodesk. Grrr)
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              #7
              Originally posted by kirklyncox View Post
              (notice how on WikiHelp the info came from a user and not Autodesk. Grrr)
              That is not true. The user made a comment about the metric height that was originally documented (~1.83 Meters in Revit 2011) had changed to 2 Meters in 2012. I made a change to the text to give the correct value for 2012.

              You can see the value was documented at 6' & 1.83M in the 2011 version of Revit Help

              http://docs.autodesk.com/REVIT/2011/...4315f-7f87.htm

              This is what a wiki is all about. The correct information has a better chance of getting out sooner. Without a wiki it is very likely this kind of detailed documentation would go unnoticed for a very long time and not be corrected.

              Really does it matter what the source of the information is?
              Last edited by JeffH; December 9, 2011, 10:18 PM.
              Jeff Hanson
              Sr. Subject Matter Expert
              Autodesk, Revit - User Experience

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                #8
                JeffH: I agree and I apologize for my postscript comment. It was probably out of frustration after spending the time troubleshooting our user's issue. I should have consulted the Help file sooner.

                Any reason why this is? Why are walls an exception?

                Thanks for your help.

                -Kirk
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by kirklyncox View Post
                  JeffH: I agree and I apologize for my postscript comment. It was probably out of frustration after spending the time troubleshooting our user's issue.
                  I can understand your frustration with the issue. I just wanted to set the record straight. The view range topic is one in particular where the wiki worked just as it is supposed to. A user pointed out an error in the documentation about 2 months after release and I was able to fix it at that point and since the beginning of June the topic has contained the correct information. I understand that it should not have been wrong in the first place but it was probably one of those things that got changed because of a minor fix somewhere and was not specifically called out to the writer responsible for that area of the help. We were not working on any "major" project that would cause us to re-write this particular topic so the small error got through.

                  Originally posted by kirklyncox View Post
                  Any reason why this is? Why are walls an exception?
                  I am not sure? It has been this way for quite some time in Revit (as long as I can remember). I can imagine a decision was made to force "partial height" walls to be projected because that is the way they are drawn 80% of the time. The line had to be placed somewhere as to when a wall was considered "partial height" and 6' was selected.

                  Floors, stairs, ramps, and components hosted to a floor are other examples of exceptions to the rules of view range. These items will show up in a plan view even if the lower range of the view is at or above the elements. In the very early days of Revit this was not the case and people had trouble understanding why they were not seeing these elements. A change was made so these elements still show if they are within 4' of the bottom edge of the view range.
                  Last edited by JeffH; December 10, 2011, 12:49 PM.
                  Jeff Hanson
                  Sr. Subject Matter Expert
                  Autodesk, Revit - User Experience

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                    #10
                    The other thing to be aware of is that this only applies to Unconnected walls. If you constrain the top of your wall to a level then the regular cut plane rules will apply. In this instance, if you want a wall that's always 1800mm tall, you could set the base constraint to be Level 1 and then the top constraint to be Level 1 with a top offset of 1800mm. Now it will be cut by the view.
                    Michael
                    Canberra, Australia

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