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    temporary dimension (dimension snap) remains large and off screen when zooming in.

    When I zoom into an wall to enable the splitting command at a specific point (example) , the associated dimension snap text remains off screen. The dimension leaders remain the same length, the dimension text doesnt change location, and consequently I cannot read the the dimension as it is off screen. Result, I can not determine at which distance along the wall to split the wall. What do I do so that the dimension text zooms down into the on screen area.

    #2
    Originally posted by birdnehru View Post
    temporary dimension (dimension snap) remains large and off screen when zooming in.

    When I zoom into an wall to enable the splitting command at a specific point (example) , the associated dimension snap text remains off screen. The dimension leaders remain the same length, the dimension text doesnt change location, and consequently I cannot read the the dimension as it is off screen. Result, I can not determine at which distance along the wall to split the wall. What do I do so that the dimension text zooms down into the on screen area.
    Maybe obvious but I'd start by checking your dimension type properties &/or your view scale :wine:
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      #3
      Originally posted by elton williams View Post
      Maybe obvious but I'd start by checking your dimension type properties &/or your view scale :wine:
      He was referring to the temp dimensions...
      I believe it works like this: those will be placed according to the zoom level when you start the command. So zoom in first, then go into split-mode and then zoom out to the other side.

      On a side-note though: revit is not built to use this workflow. Faster (and easier) would be to simply put it somewhere approximately the right place and then, after splitting, set the right size using the temp. dims.
      Or draw a quick refplane which the split tool will snap to.
      Martijn de Riet
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        #4
        yeah, kiss for sure, I am a newbie and it was bound to be something really simple. View scale was set to 100. I guess realistically view scale needs to be set 1:1, or at least 1:10 or less, say when drawing in a floor plan view, so that associated snap and temp dimensions are available to place elements, and not off the screen. I also guess that this means I need to change that scale back to 1:100 after so that everything jives with my sheet views. Do I have this right?

        With regard to workflow, I guess it depends how a project is set up, but I find it hard to imagine that it would be more effective to place an element roughly, and then move it after with temp dimensions, rather than to just snap it to the right place the first time. Especially so as with the previous example where a wall needs to be split in a specific place, and a temp dimension is provided in the first instance of splitting the wall, but does not remain in the place where the wall was split after, thus requiring that a new dimension be placed. and then the split adjusted according to that new dimension, which must then be deleted after. Anyhow, after adjusting the the view scale to 1:1, I was able to use the snap/temp dimension to split the wall.

        I hope the tone doesn't come across as condescending, I honestly just haven't figured out how the workflow in revit goes round yet, and am rather curious. I know that I really do miss the ability to drop, and edit elements on the fly that I had with autocad snap. I really miss the snap from command, and the ability to type in distances, as for example with offset, without having to first click in a box with the mouse. Have I missed something here?

        If you have any tips with regard to these things I be really stoked about any feedback, otherwise thanks for the help so far.

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          #5
          Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
          He was referring to the temp dimensions...
          doh, of course he was! like i said... :wine:

          Originally posted by birdnehru View Post
          yeah, kiss for sure, I am a newbie and it was bound to be something really simple. View scale was set to 100. I guess realistically view scale needs to be set 1:1, or at least 1:10 or less, say when drawing in a floor plan view, so that associated snap and temp dimensions are available to place elements, and not off the screen. I also guess that this means I need to change that scale back to 1:100 after so that everything jives with my sheet views. Do I have this right?
          I usually start, draw and finish in the final scale. If things are set right from the start there's usually no need to change. As Martijn pointed out you were indeed referring to temp dimensions which are view scale independent.

          Originally posted by birdnehru View Post
          With regard to workflow, I guess it depends how a project is set up, but I find it hard to imagine that it would be more effective to place an element roughly, and then move it after with temp dimensions, rather than to just snap it to the right place the first time. Especially so as with the previous example where a wall needs to be split in a specific place, and a temp dimension is provided in the first instance of splitting the wall, but does not remain in the place where the wall was split after, thus requiring that a new dimension be placed. and then the split adjusted according to that new dimension, which must then be deleted after. Anyhow, after adjusting the the view scale to 1:1, I was able to use the snap/temp dimension to split the wall.
          when the temp dimensions appear, click on the numeral then type in the distance you desire and press enter.

          Originally posted by birdnehru View Post
          I hope the tone doesn't come across as condescending, I honestly just haven't figured out how the workflow in revit goes round yet, and am rather curious. I know that I really do miss the ability to drop, and edit elements on the fly that I had with autocad snap. I really miss the snap from command, and the ability to type in distances, as for example with offset, without having to first click in a box with the mouse. Have I missed something here?

          If you have any tips with regard to these things I be really stoked about any feedback, otherwise thanks for the help so far.
          Forget what you know about autocad when using Revit. As Martijn said above "Faster (and easier) would be to simply put it somewhere approximately the right place and then, after splitting, set the right size using the temp. dims."... is indeed the easy way. Trying to apply autocad methodology to Revit workflow will just drive you mad. :banghead:


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          Last edited by elton williams; October 27, 2011, 01:01 PM.
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            #6
            Originally posted by elton williams View Post
            I usually start, draw and finish in the final scale. If things are set right from the start there's usually no need to change. As Martijn pointed out you were indeed referring to temp dimensions which are view scale independent.

            when the temp dimensions appear, click on the numeral then type in the distance you desire and press enter.

            temp dimensions are independent of view scale?, stranage because the only way I could make the temp/snap dimension smaller was to decrease the view scale?

            I now realize there are two temp dimensions, one pops up first while attempting to edit an element, the other, after the element has been edited. The first dimension is the one that I cannot get to stay on screen, unless I change the view scale. the dimension which appears after the edit seems to stay onscreen regardless of what scale I have. This is good but it would be better to also have the first dimension stay onscreen without chaging thwe viewscale, any ideas on how to do this? Or is this simply not meant to be?

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              #7
              Nope, it's not meant to be. And you can't change it.
              Revit is different from autocad this way. In autocad, moving stuff around is a PITA. You'll need to check your dimensions, hatches and everything. Latest versions deal with this a lot better (associative hatching and dims, dynamic blocks, and so on). But the basics still apply like they did when using the old school drawing board: best to place it correctly at once or else you're in a world of hurt.

              Revit is different. The approach is that you go from rough modelling to fine detailling. That's why the temp dims aren't adjusting to you zooming in to place perfectly at once. Doesn't need to, since you can simply click the dims after rough placement and change it to whatever you need.

              Btw: Revit does support snapping. Try searching the help for it. But basic shortcuts (can be used inside a command) are SE: Snap Endpoint, SM (middle) and so on...
              Martijn de Riet
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