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**Munkholm** · February 3, 2011, 01:16 PM

I´ve just been testing the attached family, and it blows up on me too ! Flipping is fine, but it complete blows when trying to Align the ends after a Flip :banghead:

You should definetly file a SR

**Chadwick17** · February 3, 2011, 04:45 PM

It doesn't completely blow up for me but it still doesn't work. I aligned it to a ref plane after initial insertion - worked fine. After using the flip arrows, I tried to align the other side to another ref plane and the family just reverted back to the original size before I did the first alignment.

But it didn't give me any error messages at all

UPDATE: Playing with it some more, if I keep trying to align each side it will reduce its size randomly. Sometimes it even grows in size after the family gets too small. But no error messages...

**mdradvies** · February 3, 2011, 07:00 PM

Sorry guys, thought I had the solution but after reloading my edited family it doesn't seem to work as I thought. So scratch this post.

**Alex Page** · February 3, 2011, 07:18 PM

Certainly does - thanks.
Ill do as you suggested - a bit of a pain thou for my "new" users to know which one to do!
Are you saying that by following your procedure, aligning the blue "dots" will always work as expected?

**mdradvies** · February 3, 2011, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Alex Page View Post

Certainly does - thanks.
Ill do as you suggested - a bit of a pain thou for my "new" users to know which one to do!
Are you saying that by following your procedure, aligning the blue "dots" will always work as expected?

From what I tested with your family, yes. This works flipped, and non-flipped.

EDIT: But I reloaded it now from scratch and it fails on me.... so, no solution yet I guess. Although the file in the OP crashed the opened project, it now justs acts weird like Chadwick describes. Guessing I was cheering to soon... :banghead:

**mdradvies** · February 3, 2011, 08:07 PM

Ok, since this really ****** me off. I dove in this problem some more....

Want to hear something funny? If I recreated this family as a normal generic model: it works like a charm, see attached.

btw: there is a very simple solution to all this. Change the horizontal flips into vertical flips. When you draw the line based model from right to left it gets created upside down. This is not a problem for the example file, but I imagine this is the reason you placed the flips in the first place. Drawing it right to left and therefor upside down and then flip vertical gives the same end result. see attachment 2.

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**Alex Page** · February 3, 2011, 08:53 PM

Regarding your simple solution - thats fine if you know the orientation you want when you put the family into the model, the problem is when you need to flip it later.

Ive taken out the horizontal flip controls for my linebased components and told users to use the mirror command - so still works, justs a lot more clicks

**Ben-May** · February 3, 2011, 09:54 PM

The results of the flip arrows are not suprising if you think about how the family works.

I wouldnt use flip arrows in anything other than a family based on a centre origion, that means definatly not on two click families like line based families, there are too many ways to flip the family already, including mirroring, switching the ends by dragging one end past the other, nesting a sweep which can be flipped rotated... etc.

**Alex Page** · February 3, 2011, 10:34 PM

I see what you are getting at - but other than "switching the ends by dragging one end past the other" its not that different from other families.
My take is that if the powers who be put the ability of horizontal flipping into linebased families, then it should work

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