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    "Flpiping" Line based families

    Ive noticed a bug with linebased families when using a double horizontal flip control (or the spacebar). If you use the flip control within a project and then use the align command the family completely blows up.
    Try it and you will see what I mean (Ive uploaded a simple one to test)

    (Note that if you use the mirror command it works as expected) - anyone found a solution or should I report it as a bug?
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    Alex Page
    RevitWorks Ltd
    Check out our Door Factory, the door maker add-in for Revit

    #2
    I´ve just been testing the attached family, and it blows up on me too ! Flipping is fine, but it complete blows when trying to Align the ends after a Flip :banghead:

    You should definetly file a SR
    Klaus Munkholm
    "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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      #3
      It doesn't completely blow up for me but it still doesn't work. I aligned it to a ref plane after initial insertion - worked fine. After using the flip arrows, I tried to align the other side to another ref plane and the family just reverted back to the original size before I did the first alignment.

      But it didn't give me any error messages at all

      UPDATE: Playing with it some more, if I keep trying to align each side it will reduce its size randomly. Sometimes it even grows in size after the family gets too small. But no error messages...
      Last edited by Chadwick17; February 3, 2011, 03:47 PM. Reason: Additional Info:
      Chad Koscinski | Architect

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        #4
        Sorry guys, thought I had the solution but after reloading my edited family it doesn't seem to work as I thought. So scratch this post.
        Last edited by mdradvies; February 3, 2011, 06:43 PM. Reason: scratched, complete bullocks
        Martijn de Riet
        Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
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          #5
          Certainly does - thanks.
          Ill do as you suggested - a bit of a pain thou for my "new" users to know which one to do!
          Are you saying that by following your procedure, aligning the blue "dots" will always work as expected?
          Alex Page
          RevitWorks Ltd
          Check out our Door Factory, the door maker add-in for Revit

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            #6
            Originally posted by Alex Page View Post
            Certainly does - thanks.
            Ill do as you suggested - a bit of a pain thou for my "new" users to know which one to do!
            Are you saying that by following your procedure, aligning the blue "dots" will always work as expected?
            From what I tested with your family, yes. This works flipped, and non-flipped.

            EDIT: But I reloaded it now from scratch and it fails on me.... so, no solution yet I guess. Although the file in the OP crashed the opened project, it now justs acts weird like Chadwick describes. Guessing I was cheering to soon... :banghead:
            Last edited by mdradvies; February 3, 2011, 06:29 PM. Reason: reload DOESN'T work
            Martijn de Riet
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              #7
              Ok, since this really ****** me off. I dove in this problem some more....

              Want to hear something funny? If I recreated this family as a normal generic model: it works like a charm, see attached.

              btw: there is a very simple solution to all this. Change the horizontal flips into vertical flips. When you draw the line based model from right to left it gets created upside down. This is not a problem for the example file, but I imagine this is the reason you placed the flips in the first place. Drawing it right to left and therefor upside down and then flip vertical gives the same end result. see attachment 2.
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              Martijn de Riet
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                #8
                Regarding your simple solution - thats fine if you know the orientation you want when you put the family into the model, the problem is when you need to flip it later.

                Ive taken out the horizontal flip controls for my linebased components and told users to use the mirror command - so still works, justs a lot more clicks
                Alex Page
                RevitWorks Ltd
                Check out our Door Factory, the door maker add-in for Revit

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                  #9
                  The results of the flip arrows are not suprising if you think about how the family works.

                  I wouldnt use flip arrows in anything other than a family based on a centre origion, that means definatly not on two click families like line based families, there are too many ways to flip the family already, including mirroring, switching the ends by dragging one end past the other, nesting a sweep which can be flipped rotated... etc.
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                    #10
                    I see what you are getting at - but other than "switching the ends by dragging one end past the other" its not that different from other families.
                    My take is that if the powers who be put the ability of horizontal flipping into linebased families, then it should work
                    Alex Page
                    RevitWorks Ltd
                    Check out our Door Factory, the door maker add-in for Revit

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