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    Revit and the next version

    Without asking anyone to break NDA's do you think the next version will be worth the subscription? I know all the arguments about keeping up to date etc etc but to be honest, we mostly do interiors and the last few versions have been fine for what we do. We've always kept up the subscription but lately begun to question that given our fairly insular position. Down here in OZ it's 1200US, so about twice what the US guys pay! Our exchange rate is close to parity, I think Autodesk might cut us some slack! In any case any opinions on the next release gratefully accepted!
    Rob
    Robert Costa, Principal
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    Sydney, Australia

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    With no regard to the next version, I cannot see how anyone would not be on subscription. Revit is currently not backwards compatiable, therefore if you are using Revit to any potential that means collabaration, which means using the current version and its benefits. If Architecture doesnt receive some new tools one year, MEP or Stucture certainly will. How could one consultant hold back another discipline on upgrading because they are not on the new version.

    Subscription is your only choice IMO

    Even if you are a standalone consultant with no input from anyone else, $1200AUD is not a huge amount with the progress in the last releases IMO
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      #3
      Originally posted by rlc View Post
      Without asking anyone to break NDA's do you think the next version will be worth the subscription? I know all the arguments about keeping up to date etc etc but to be honest, we mostly do interiors and the last few versions have been fine for what we do. We've always kept up the subscription but lately begun to question that given our fairly insular position. Down here in OZ it's 1200US, so about twice what the US guys pay! Our exchange rate is close to parity, I think Autodesk might cut us some slack! In any case any opinions on the next release gratefully accepted!
      Rob
      I'm not a beta tester so not NDA to worry about for me...This is a tough subject to get anyone to agree on. I've been on subscription since it became available and have always upgraded to the latest version of both AutoCAD and more recently, Revit as soon as they were available. For years I was an Acad beta tester and I liked having the head start on the new features (and sometimes bugs and problems). But, I've been thinking about all of my Revit projects that are "in the middle" and what will the ramifications be of converting them to 2012 or whatever they're going to call it. On some of my projects I'm under contract to provide the models in 2011 format so no question there. I'm assuming that keeping several versions of Revit installed is not against the license agreement because that's what I'm going to have to do I think.
      I'm retired, if you don't like it, go around!

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        #4
        Rob, my sense of all the past versions, with the exception of 2010, has been that there is always something(s) there worth the upgrade. IF your view is "I'll change the way I work if there is something new worth doing!" If the goal is to keep producing the same documents you always have, then there might not be much there that is worth upgrading for. But if you look at what is new and ask if those tools can help you make better documents, or better designs, or the same as before but more efficiently, then I think every version has had something to make me happy. I expect 2012 will be the same. Something worth upgrading for, and still frustratingly slow development!

        That said, yeah, Autodesk certainly screws their overseas customers, and I'll be damned if I know why. No excuse, but also par for the course. It makes the value proposition a little more difficult to swallow, but I suspect I would come to the same conclusion in the end.

        Gordon
        Pragmatic Praxis

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          #5
          I don't actually know if the beta program already started. Hope not, cause that would mean I'm banned from it :banghead:

          But in general, yes: you should be on the subscription. Revit isn't backwards compatible so this would mean the loss of potential work if you're not. But the absence of this also means that the developments in Revit usually are a whole lot faster then other programs that are backwards compatible. I personally haven't seen any version since 5.1 that wasn't worth the upgrade.

          That being said: I believe that you can keep up to 2 versions back installed when you're under subscription. It's stated somewhere in your EULA...
          Martijn de Riet
          Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
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            #6
            Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
            I don't actually know if the beta program already started. Hope not, cause that would mean I'm banned from it :banghead:

            But in general, yes: you should be on the subscription. Revit isn't backwards compatible so this would mean the loss of potential work if you're not. But the absence of this also means that the developments in Revit usually are a whole lot faster then other programs that are backwards compatible. I personally haven't seen any version since 5.1 that wasn't worth the upgrade.

            That being said: I believe that you can keep up to 2 versions back installed when you're under subscription. It's stated somewhere in your EULA...
            just out of curiosity have Revit releases coincided with AutoCAD releases? It seems that they would since I'm on Revit Architectural Suite subscription and my last release included Revit 2011, ACA 2011, and Acad 2011. If they do all come out at generally the same time then Revit beta testing has been happening for some time as the next release date will be sometime in March based on past history.
            I'm retired, if you don't like it, go around!

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              #7
              From the current EULA

              EULA.jpg

              I guess it is an upgrade, giving us 120 days until self destruction of the previous version..
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                #8
                Down here in OZ it's 1200US, so about twice what the US guys pay!
                I don't know how all this works, but I am going to raise the question to satisfy my curiosity: In this Internet world of today, where you can pay for your renewal over the internet with a credit card, and you can choose to download your renewal, what prevents you as a client who lives in Australia to handle your renewal with a reseller who is based in the US?
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Alfredo Medina View Post
                  I don't know how all this works, but I am going to raise the question to satisfy my curiosity: In this Internet world of today, where you can pay for your renewal over the internet with a credit card, and you can choose to download your renewal, what prevents you as a client who lives in Australia to handle your renewal with a reseller who is based in the US?
                  It is my understanding that Autodesk licences various resellers to resell and provide support in various parts of the world. In Oz, I think we have a grand total of two to choose from - or at least there are only two major players.

                  I have never really thought about seeing if I can swap re-sellers or not, although I suspect that if we are able to it will only be to one of the licenced resellers in Oz.

                  Might make a phone call or two to check it out.
                  Ian Kidston
                  http://allextensions.com.au

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Dave Jones View Post
                    just out of curiosity have Revit releases coincided with AutoCAD releases? It seems that they would since I'm on Revit Architectural Suite subscription and my last release included Revit 2011, ACA 2011, and Acad 2011. If they do all come out at generally the same time then Revit beta testing has been happening for some time as the next release date will be sometime in March based on past history.
                    Revit releases are generally mid-April, a couple weeks after the AutoCAD release. As to when the Revit beta starts, my guess is that it may not have started yet (though Alpha testing must have gotten started some time ago).

                    Originally posted by rlc View Post
                    Without asking anyone to break NDA's do you think the next version will be worth the subscription?
                    Can't really answer that question even if there was not an NDA. Ask me if 2011 would be worth the upgrade for you. I wouldn't know. I don't know if it's possible elsewhere in the world, but in the US, I think you can adjust the time of subscription renewal to whenever you want. Talk to your reseller. You'll have to pay a pro-rated cost for the the first year you adjust it, which will likely be slightly more money. Re-set your subscription renewal to June. Then you'll be able to actually get the new version and then decide whether you want to pay for another year of subscription.

                    However, that being said, I recommend staying on subscription. If you literally can't afford it, then you can't afford it - don't pony up. If you can afford it, then pay it. But trying to figure out whether each version is worth it or not just seems like a losing proposition. Just my 2 cents.

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