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    How to properly note drawings? Tags, Keynotes, Text?

    While I've been working with Revit for over 2 years now and have a good grasp on how most things work the one area I still struggle with is what is the "proper" way to note my drawings?

    Way back in school in the late 80's I was taught to note building sections with "construction assemblies" or a group of notes relating to the walls, floors, roofs etc. Wall Sections and Details would have individual notes for each of the specific components shown in the detail. Gypsum Bd., Studs, Brick etc.

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    My issue with Revit is, how do I apply these notes so that if a material or assembly changes that I can change the note once and have it update everywhere. Thats supposed to be the power of BIM right? I can change a door or wall and it changes everywhere?

    #2
    They way I suggest doing it is with keynotes. Tag the different roof types and change the descriptions in the keynote .txt document. That way they all update accordingly.

    OR if you really want text, you could group the text and name it accordingly. That way when you change one block of text the rest would as well. Seems a little tedious to me. I worked for a firm once that did this for their keynote descriptions instead of using the built-in keynote feature of Revit.

    I usually only use text descriptions for detail views. If I can't call it out in a keynote then I need a enlarged view of it so I can note it up.
    Chad Koscinski | Architect

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      #3
      I use a couple different Multi-category tags. One is called System Note and it is for your wall sections, ie R1 = Metal Standing Over, ..., Over..., it Reads the Type mark. this can tag Walls, Floors, Ceilings, Soffits(note I make soffits as ceilings so they can host lights and schedule with my ceilings, since they show on the same plan(rcp), Roofs. Then I have a Multi-Category tag that reads the Description Parameter of each object. So you can can "Note" with it(note this doesn't work on Detail components). Then I use a Multi-Category tag that reads the "type comments" this works on Detail components.(same as keynoting, but don't need to edit the stupid text file.)
      Change the note one place, changes it everywhere, change the Type Mark, it changes everywhere. Then you can schedule your Ceiling Sytems, Roof Systems, etc. And describe them in the description. So you can tag either the system number or the description. Then I use Material tags(one with the number, one with description, depending on need).
      Scott D. Brown, AIA | Senior Project Manager | Beck Group

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        #4
        Scott -

        What are the System Notes reading when you tag something R1, C1, etc. Do you have to create a group of text that describes what R1, C1 is?
        Chad Koscinski | Architect

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          #5
          I created a set of SP's for this. I have 10 SP's, Description 1-10. These are set up in my model to apply to everything, including Detail Components as a type parameter. Created tags for each category with all those SP's in it as a tagline beneath each other. Added visibility parameters so you can check the amount of textlines. This has a few advantages:

          1. I use the same SP's in different scales/views. For example:
          If I have a ground floor, concrete, 120mm thick, 100mm insulation, 20mm tiles in cement, etc. all these are seperate Parameters. The complete tag looks like this:
          Cast-in-situ concrete
          120mm thickness
          100mm insulation
          Finishing 20mm tiles placed in cement.

          On my section I will only show the first three lines
          In my interior plan I will only show the last line
          In my Details I will tag multiple times and show 1 line each time which points to the right part of the floor.
          Etc...

          Works very nice, and spares a lot of coordination time.
          Martijn de Riet
          Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
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          Planta1 Revit Online Consulting

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            #6
            Double posting due to lag in site refresh.
            (Munkholm: not a server problem, still running internet through a mobile wifi stick. Those #$&# at my ISP accidentally deleted my connection from their administration..., got a feeling this will take a while)
            Last edited by mdradvies; January 14, 2011, 09:30 PM. Reason: double posting
            Martijn de Riet
            Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
            MdR Advies
            Planta1 Revit Online Consulting

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              #7
              Martijn de Riet,
              I would like to see a sample of one of your SPs. Please post a family.
              CG
              Last edited by cganiere; January 14, 2011, 07:55 PM. Reason: to finish the thought.

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                #8
                The System Note tag reads the Type Mark(because its multi-category it can be used on all the system families). Then you can create schedules for each type, showing the type mark and then a paragraph description. You can get as wordy as you want. If you or Matt want the Vaught Frye way, then just use a detail group of text with each system note, then copy/paste align that to all your sheets. I've been moving toward the schedules so its smart. I'm hoping someday they'll let us schedule the layers in the assemblies so we don't have to type them. As I'm typing this, I'm thinking we could almost make a system note legend showing the tag, a roof section, then notes for each layer. You could make a super tag that had multiple shared parameters for each layer, but I just use a narrative format.
                Scott D. Brown, AIA | Senior Project Manager | Beck Group

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                  #9
                  Ps don't forget you don't have to have lines on a schedule so it can look like notes if you want it too. I don't mind the schedule but if you wanted to put a bubble around each tag number you could do it if you turned the gridlines off of the system note schedules.
                  Scott D. Brown, AIA | Senior Project Manager | Beck Group

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                    #10
                    Scott - that's great information. I'm going to try putting something like that together in our template and give it a whirl. Is it possible to put these schedules that are created on multiple sheets?
                    Chad Koscinski | Architect

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