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    Material tag - plan vs elevation

    I have a material tag that is reporting the Mark of a material. On a wall, if I tag the material in elevation I get the correct value, however, when I tag the wall in plan it reports a different value. If I paint the wall surface in elevation and then tag the material it reports the correct value, but when I material tag in plan it reports a different value. Using Revit 2018. In previous releases this was not the case and if I changed the material in elevation, I was able to tag it in the plan as well.
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    Does the wall have Split Surface/Paint applied? Or, has the wall been split inside the Wall Properties/Structure Edit function? If so, it could report different materials in Plan and Elevation/Section depending on where the splits occur and the View Range/cut plan, etc. Are there any wall sweeps applied? Are there any thin Finish Walls on a workset or filter that is turned off?
    Cliff B. Collins
    Registered Architect
    The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects, St. Louis, MO
    Autodesk Expert Elite

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      #3
      The wall has not been split, nor had its profile edited, and there are no other sweeps or other objects on the wall. It is a simple 3 layer wall: gyp, stud, gyp. I want to identify different paint colors (without creating separate wall types). So the only difference is that I have "painted" the wall face with a different material.
      I also posted to Autodesk support and got a response that, "Unfortunately as far as I know there is no way to do this, I do remember painted items used to "bleed" through the outermost material and we could use a material tag, and we added layers in our walls to account for that and used the paint tool. Now that doesn't happen."
      It seems that sometime between Revit 2016/17 and 2018 they changed this behavior in the software? I used to be able to paint the wall in elevation, and then tag it in our finish plans.

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        #4
        Just tested in 2018--looks like you are right, unless I am missing something. The 'multiple walls' approach ( i.e. thin "paint wall" in front of the gyp., then join geometry for openings)
        can work, but opinions vary greatly on the effectiveness / efficiency of that workflow for interior finishes.
        Cliff B. Collins
        Registered Architect
        The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects, St. Louis, MO
        Autodesk Expert Elite

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          #5
          I tried that approach (separate walls) years ago, and found it too cumbersome when walls move and it was too hard to manage. For most wall finishes we model an appropriate wall type that includes the finish material in the wall (tile, wood planks, etc.). But for painted walls it doesn't make sense to do that. We found that one wall type for painted gyp bd was easiest, and we would just paint the walls that received a different color paint. This method used to work well in that we maintained consistency in material tags between interior elevations and finish plans, and our 3d views and renderings would also maintain consistency, our finish schedule would also update with the materials "painted" to the walls. If we've lost the functionality of tagging wall finishes in plan my whole approach to finish plans and interior elevations just got shot.

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            #6
            I can check back as far as 2016 in the morning, but I'm pretty certain "paint" applied to a wall finish has never been taggable in Plan.

            Sent from my Phablet. Please excuse typos... and bad ideas.

            Aaron Maller
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              #7
              Well wtf...I just tested in 2016 and found the same behavior. You can change the "paint material" of a wall, but the material tag will not update in the plan although it updates in the elevation (and other views including 3d). You can paint the outer wall material in plan and it will update the elevation and corresponding material tag, but the plan tag does not update. I swear that this has not always been the case. But it is the case now, so I need to reconsider how we manage our finish plans and wall types...
              Maybe I always assumed that it was updating the tag in all locations (as that would be the logical bi-directional associativity that Revit is known for), and just missed that the floor plan wasn't updating.
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                #8
                Hate to say it, but I think your last comment is likely what happened. Like Aaron, I've never seen it possible to tag paint in plan.

                I think your only options are to elevate walls and tag or use text (in a GA or Detail Item) in plan.
                Greg McDowell Jr
                about.me/GMcDowellJr

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                  #9
                  Any updates on this issue? I am experiencing the same problems (V2019.3) Most designers use a finishing plan and tag their materials on it, but not in elevations... Hard to believe that we cannot associate the painted wall in plan view.

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                    #10
                    Believe it... or not.

                    Is what it is. Your choice on how you roll.

                    I had a PA once tell me it was ridiculous that Revit would let you model a CMU wall off course. LOL
                    Greg McDowell Jr
                    about.me/GMcDowellJr

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