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    #11
    ah, ok, then, if you want to resolve it with phases, this information is useful:

    Assume you have a floor plan as "Level 1", and that you have (in this simple example) just a rectangle in the existing phase. Then in the New Construction phase you make another room (on the upper right corner in this example).

    In Home > Area > Area computations, create two area schemes such as "Area of Existing" and "Area of New".

    Now do : Area > Area Plan > select "Area of Existing" and select "Level 1". Ignore the prompt about automatic boundaries. Set the new view as "Show Complete & Existing", and create the area boundary lines manually. This view will be your "Level 1 (Area of Existing)" area plan.

    Now do : Area > Area Plan > select "Area of New" and select "Level 1". Ignore the prompt about automatic boundaries. Set the new view as "Show Complete & New Construction", and create the boundary lines manually. This view will be your "Level 1 (Area of New)" area plan.

    So now you have two different area plans, with different phases, and their areas can be scheduled separately.
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      #12
      Hi Alf,

      Thanks for the tutorial, but it still didn't solve the problem that apparently Area Boundaries exist throughout all Phases. Which kind of bugs me, btw. Never ran across this before because I normally use Areas only in the New Phase but I really don't understand this. It's completely illogical. You can't phase Room Seperation Lines either, but these will at least conform to the Phase they were drawn in.
      Martijn de Riet
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        #13
        From my litle knowledge about this, and a lot of headaches and rtial and error.
        For areas it is not the area boundry that is pahse specific but actually the Area scheme being used.
        And the only ( the right way?) to do multiple phase area plans (As per Alfredo's post) is to creat matching area schemes for these. Wether you use the Auto boundry or sketch it, as long as you use a different shceme for each phase.
        And like Gorden stated. Area boundries are pretty much as good as walls, with a default filter to only show on areaplan. But if you duplicate the plan and edit the boundry without creating new area scheme, you are still editing the same boundry (physically) just as when you would move a wall on a duplicate view it will move on original view.
        First thing I learned in Revit way back when the Autodesk Rep drilled it into our heads ". A CHANGE ANYWHERE IS A CHNAGE EVERYWHERE?
        Just my 2bits for the morning.
        Hope you all are well.
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          #14
          Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
          Hi Alf, Thanks for the tutorial, but it still didn't solve the problem that apparently Area Boundaries exist throughout all Phases. ...
          Yes, but I don't see the problem with that so long as I keep the boundary lines in separate area plan views with their correspondent phase settings and their own area schemes.
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            #15
            Originally posted by Alfredo Medina View Post
            Yes, but I don't see the problem with that so long as I keep the boundary lines in separate floor plan views with their correspondent phase settings and their own area schemes.
            There's no problem, except that it is really confusing and twisted. With this behaviour Area BL contradict with all other elements within Revit.
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              #16
              Further to this idiocyncracy in Revit, does anyone know if you can set the area rules for your new scheme that you have to create? Or is this hardcoded in the depths of APIland?
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                #17
                as far as I know these rules cannot be changed. which is a total pain when you're not an american...
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                  #18
                  I´d LOVE to be able to customize the way the area calculations works too... (Manually adding Area Boundaries is soooo boring, and time consuming)

                  Wondering if Phillip or one of the other API "Geeks" could make this happen, and if the hardcoded rules "only" apply to the US, there should a wast amount of possible customers of "there"
                  Klaus Munkholm
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Munkholm View Post
                    Wondering if Phillip or one of the other API "Geeks" could make this happen, and if the hardcoded rules "only" apply to the US, there should a wast amount of possible customers of "there"
                    LOL. I have never been called an API geek before. Seriously I'm only learning the API myself. I'm not to sure if the api can actually do this??? My rule of thumb generally is if you can't do it in the Revit UI you can't do it nativaly with the API. GuyR is the person to ask if he is about???


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                      #20
                      Can someone confirm to this NOOB that the Gross Building area scheme cannot be duplicated? I really need a gross area plan and schedule for my proposed phase building, but the first area plan I created is set to existing phase and contains no areas yet. I duplicated that view and changed the new view's phase to New Construction. When I create an area schedule for the Gross Building area scheme, there are no areas (signalling it is scheduling the existing phase area plan). Revit does not say nor allow me to change from which phase the schedule is reading.

                      A duplicated Rentable area scheme doesn't work because I also need to count the exterior area, but only the Gross Building area scheme has Exterior Area for a category.

                      I guess I could work around this seeming program limitation for now by changing the phase of the original Gross Building area plan, then copying and pasting my area boundary lines into it and recreating the areas. I'm probably going to need a plan and schedule for both phases at some point and would like to eventually know if it's not possible in Revit.

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