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    Area Plans and Phasing ?

    A short snippet of todays inbox:

    Client:
    I´ve created a Gross Area Plan for "Level 1 - New Construction", but when I go to "View > Plan Views > Area Plan" I can´t select to create a new Gross Area Plan for "Level 1 - Existing"

    Me: Just select the area plan you already have in place, duplicate it, and change the phase to existing (Thinking: How hard can it be)

    Client:
    It dosn´t work - When I add a new Area Boundary Line to the "New Construction" it also shows on the "Existing" plan.

    Me:
    I said DUPLICATE the view - NOT Duplicate as a Dependent :banghead:

    Client:
    I did like you told me to, it´s just a duplicate... and it´s not working...


    Up until this point, I did not bother to test any of this in Revit - Well, I should have After a little testing, I concluded that the duplicate solution was invalid. But figured that in the Area & Volume Computations > Area Scheme - I could create a new Area Scheme = "Gross Building - Existing", and use that to create the new Area Plan for Existing.

    To be honest i´m still puzzled by this, and can´t get it off my mind... Am I missing something obvious here
    Klaus Munkholm
    "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

    #2
    Yes you are missing something... I wish I knew what it was though.

    In all serisousness I will have to try out what you are talking about. I just have too much to do right now to devote the time. Ill check back later.
    -Alex Cunningham

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      #3
      Originally posted by Munkholm View Post
      But figured that in the Area & Volume Computations > Area Scheme - I could create a new Area Scheme = "Gross Building - Existing", and use that to create the new Area Plan for Existing.
      And isn't this the answer, to create a new area scheme for existing? I'm not sure what you're still puzzled by, or missing?

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        #4
        I was puzzled too, as I was thinking the area boundary lines where "drafting" and thus view specific. But if that where the case you couldn't schedule the areas, because the areas would not exist beyond the view itself. So think of area boundary lines as semi-model items. They can only ever show up in an area plan, unlike room separation lines that are otherwise similar, but they still exist "in the model" and thus show up in the copied view, even when not copied with detail.

        Gordon
        Pragmatic Praxis

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          #5
          Originally posted by muttlieb View Post
          And isn't this the answer, to create a new area scheme for existing? I'm not sure what you're still puzzled by, or missing?
          Well yah, it worked ! Just seems very odd (to me at least) that the Area Boundary lines would show on both views... I get that they can´t be phased (as other things on Revit), but would have thought that they would have been view specific... guess not. Or ?
          Klaus Munkholm
          "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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            #6
            Originally posted by Gordon Price View Post
            I was puzzled too, as I was thinking the area boundary lines where "drafting" and thus view specific. But if that where the case you couldn't schedule the areas, because the areas would not exist beyond the view itself. So think of area boundary lines as semi-model items. They can only ever show up in an area plan, unlike room separation lines that are otherwise similar, but they still exist "in the model" and thus show up in the copied view, even when not copied with detail.

            Gordon
            Gordon is typing (way) faster than me...

            But thank you Gordon, that kinda makes sence - And I´m very pleased not to be the only one who was puzzled with this :whiskey:
            Klaus Munkholm
            "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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              #7
              Originally posted by Munkholm View Post
              Well yah, it worked ! Just seems very odd (to me at least) that the Area Boundary lines would show on both views... I get that they can´t be phased (as other things on Revit), but would have thought that they would have been view specific... guess not. Or ?
              I think one has to answer "no" to the prompt that asks if one wants the boundary lines to be created automatically. If we answer "yes" Revit tends to ignore the phases and go to the most outer perimeter anyway, but if we answer "no" and create the boundary lines by pick lines, trim, etc, then, at the end we can have two separate plans, one for "Area of Existing", and another one for "Area of New" with different boundaries.

              So, was the issue with your client clarified? Is everything working fine now?
              Freelance BIM Provider at Autodesk Services Marketplace | Linkedin

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                #8
                We always answer "no" to get the automatic boundary rules over here - Think the area calculation rules (where area boundaries are placed on/in the wall) only apply to certain parts of the world.

                So that would be a "Negative, Captain Alf" :beer: - But please prove me wrong
                Klaus Munkholm
                "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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                  #9
                  Yes, but did you guys resolve the issue of showing the two different area plans in different phases correctly? (as per your "dialogue" with the client in the original post)
                  Freelance BIM Provider at Autodesk Services Marketplace | Linkedin

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                    #10
                    We did not solve it using phases - but we did find a solution using different "Area Schemes"
                    Klaus Munkholm
                    "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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