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    Sorting draw order for detail components with objects (families)

    Is there a way to set the draw order of detail components with objects (elements) in revit? (if not, this should be a wishlist item)

    For example, I am using detail lines in a bathroom and I want to have the detail lines to be behind the vanity, which is a family. I try using the draw order, and it still shows up in front of an object (family)

    Normally, I would just do it manually, but in this case, the family has complex geometry and it would save a lot of time if i could just have the detail lines obscured by the family by using the draw order option.
    Last edited by katewood1989; November 20, 2017, 06:00 PM.

    #2
    Draw order exists, but only with respect to other detail items.

    Consider it like this:

    When you make a view, it is a sheet of glass thats been placed, after the model has been cut. You are then placing stickers and marker on the sheet of glass. You can move them with respect to one another, but you have no way to put them under the glass.

    Does that make sense?
    Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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      #3
      What are the lines you want to show representing? I'd consider placing them as Model Lines in the family.
      Greg McDowell Jr
      about.me/GMcDowellJr

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        #4
        this is the issue (see attached)

        I want to be able to put those lines behind the toilet and sink. This doesn't seem like an unreasonable request (Revit developers, are you listening? d-

        I really dont want to spend the time making a .pat file considering i don't know how to make one
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        Last edited by katewood1989; November 20, 2017, 06:18 PM.

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          #5
          You actually just model in a finish wall (with a pat on it, and the molding on it) and be WAY ahead of the game.

          You shouldn't draft finishes in. Icky.

          Sent from my Phablet. Please excuse typos... and bad ideas.

          Aaron Maller
          Director
          Parallax Team, Inc.
          Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
          @Web | @Twitter | @LinkedIn | @Email

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            #6
            Model in a finish wall... can you please explain further? I am not familiar.

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              #7
              I think he's saying to create a new wall for the wainscot with a material that has that surface pattern. That does require you to make or find the correct pattern though, which is actually not that complicated. There are some examples in the thread below. You'd only need 2 lines in your case.
              https://www.revitforum.org/architect...rn-2017-a.html

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                #8
                No it is not an unreasonable request.
                And the request has already been granted.
                By using, as Greg suggested, Model Line on the wall
                And, as Aaron suggested, creating a Wall Type with that pattern applied as a material.
                So, there are two ways you can achieve a much better result than by using Drafting Lines.
                You are creating a model of the building, not just drawing dumb drafting views. Truly modeled "lines" will be useful throughout the entire model, not just in that one View.
                You say you
                really dont want to spend the time making a .pat file
                but it's really not that difficult to create a pattern. Especially one as simple as the one you show. That pattern will take two lines of text to create (OK, three counting the name)
                And once you've got that pattern created, you can use it, not only in other Views in your project, but in other projects. too.
                How many times (and how much time) have you drawn those manually? Create a pattern once, and you're done.

                If you still resist taking a half-hour to learn how to create patterns, take a look at Hatch22 or pyRevit that can automatically create them for you.
                You'll be hours ahead in no time.
                Dave Plumb
                BWBR Architects; St Paul, MN

                CADsplaining: When a BIM rookie tells you how you should have done something.

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                  #9
                  A couple of notes:

                  I think we need to differentiate the different aspects of: Making a pat file, and getting the pat in this view.

                  1. Complex pat files are quite annoying. This one is very simple. If someone hasn't done it before I get back to the office, I'll make it and upload it.

                  2. Even with the Pat, however, I wouldn't use a filled region in this view. Id put the pat on a wall type that's only as thick as the wainscot, and is model that in all the rooms.

                  You MIGHT have the done already, I can't tell from the image.

                  Modeling in finishes pays much bigger rewards in other areas. Coordination (clearances and accessibility), visualization, and, well, not having to draft thousands of lines.

                  Has virtually no downsides.

                  I do this for everything thicker than wallpaper.

                  Sent from my Phablet. Please excuse typos... and bad ideas.

                  Aaron Maller
                  Director
                  Parallax Team, Inc.
                  Last edited by DaveP; November 20, 2017, 08:26 PM. Reason: typo
                  Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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                    #10
                    Thank you so much for your response. I want to learn how to make a .pat file. Would it be possible for you to make me a .pat file with simple vertical lines, and from there I modify it from yours? I learn best by example and that would be helpful if I can go off of something already made similar to what I am trying to achieve. Thanks in advance.
                    Last edited by katewood1989; November 20, 2017, 09:08 PM.

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