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    New walls trim differently on different sides of existing wall

    Does anyone know why this happens? This has been a frustration for quite a number of years now.

    I have an existing stud wall with GB, and have new stud walls coming into each side of the existing wall. All walls have the same construction, same core and same finish materials. One wall coming into one side of the existing wall extends the core layer to the existing wall's core layer. That makes only a slight graphic discrepancy, which is imperceptible when Thin Lines are turned off, or on the printed output.

    However another wall coming into the opposite side of the existing walls extends its core layer the same way, but then makes this huge white cutout in the existing wall all the way through to the opposite side. It appears to do that on the wall attaching to the Exterior side of the existing wall. The one with the minor discrepancy is on the Interior side of the existing wall. If I flip the existing wall, the join discrepancies reverse between the new walls. Why does this happen?

    It's really frustrating and slows me down because then I have to go back after the fact and set the ends of the new walls to Disallow Join. And doing that a few hundred times gets real old real quick.
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    Last edited by PatrickGSR94; November 15, 2017, 02:42 PM.
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    #2
    Use the 'switch join order' tool on the join tool dropdown.
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      #3
      Originally posted by elton williams View Post
      Use the 'switch join order' tool on the join tool dropdown.
      Nope, that doesn't work for automatically joined walls. That's for elements joined using the "join geometry" tool, when the join order determines which object cuts other objects.

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        #4
        I use Gray Linework (not gray hatch) for existing items. Always have. I hate the solid fill, as it eliminates seeing all the material of the existing conditions, which DO matter. Consequently, when you set the Phase Overrides up my way, this issue isnt an issue.
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          #5
          Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
          I use Gray Linework (not gray hatch) for existing items. Always have. I hate the solid fill, as it eliminates seeing all the material of the existing conditions, which DO matter. Consequently, when you set the Phase Overrides up my way, this issue isnt an issue.
          If I remove the solid gray cut pattern override for existing elements, it screws up my small-scale Coarse plans like Life Safety plans. We have all walls set with the Coarse Scale override on the Solid fill pattern for small scale plans, and the existing wall all show up solid black if I don't override it for Existing elements.

          I still don't understand why the white cutout in the existing wall extends all the way through the finish layer on the opposite side of the joined wall. If it only cut through the existing wall's Core layer it would make more sense.
          Last edited by PatrickGSR94; November 20, 2017, 05:06 PM.

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            #6
            Yeah, i wouldnt use Coarse Scale Fill either. Yucky. Yucky upon yucky.

            Im not sure why it does that either, but all i can recommend is perhaps trying to automate the disallow of the wall ends with Dynamo, if you are definitely set on keeping that graphical standard.
            Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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              #7
              What's yucky about it? No one needs to see wall layers in a 1/16" life safety plan. Solid wall poche works fine and IMHO it reads better. It's worked perfectly for us for over a decade. It's just some of the wall joins between new and existing walls have that minor graphic annoyance on our 1/8" plans

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                #8
                Okie dokey. Like i said, i guess if i were you id like in to Dynamo, since thats what youre stuck with at this point.
                Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by PatrickGSR94 View Post
                  Nope, that doesn't work for automatically joined walls. That's for elements joined using the "join geometry" tool, when the join order determines which object cuts other objects.
                  Uh, it works for me.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by elton williams View Post
                    Uh, it works for me.
                    When I pick "Switch Join Order", walls are not available to be picked unless the wall has been manually joined to something else.

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