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    How to model bricks/blocks with pcs parameter

    I want to schedule every brick
    Should i create with generic models family template?
    How could i repeat generic models in 3d view as 2d repeating detailed component function?
    Thanks

    #2
    Dude, are you insane??? WHY?

    But, for the fun of it:

    - Curtain wall
    - Mullions 10x100mm (for the jointing)
    - Panels at brick size

    Done.

    EDIT: Not done... Forgot that you would probably need a running brick configuration.

    So, here's the more complicated version:

    Create a custom Curtain Wall type:

    Vertical Grid = None
    Horizontal Grid = Brick + Mortar Joint (in this case 50+10 = 60mm)
    Go to elevation view you'll only have layers, no vertical grids.
    Place two vertical Grid lines (Home > Curtain Grid, hover above horizontal wall edge), each 0,5*(Brick Width + Mortar Joint) from the previous
    Select the first grid and remove a piece every other layer.
    Select the second grid, and remove pieces in the layers that you didn't modify with the first grid line.
    Select the grid lines and ARRAY (yes you can do that) to 2nd in the required distance (brick width + mortar joint, in this case 210mm)
    Ajust Array amount as needed.

    See attached for the endresult...
    Keep in mind: this is going to give you a VERY heavy model...
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    Last edited by mdradvies; September 3, 2011, 08:06 PM.
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      #3
      I forgot, do curtain wall patterns come in half-step in 2012, or is that just in the mass editor?

      Anyway, you can fabricate a panel family that regulates the pattern, and nest shared bricks and joints in it, array those with some formulas. The CW itself would be just the one panel. At the beginning and end you could finger-join with a visibility parameter. Windows and doors you could cut manually I think, especially with that cutting solid idea (who came up with that one again? pure genius!). Or just host them in a dummy wall and draw a hole around them with edit profile.

      So, actually quite achievable, it just leaves you with thousands of families in your projec file. Just write a hatch pattern that looks close enough for the detail you need and calculate an estimate number from wall surface area/volume etc.
      There must be a better way...

      Ekko Nap
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        #4
        Originally posted by ekkonap View Post
        I forgot, do curtain wall patterns come in half-step in 2012, or is that just in the mass editor?
        Way ahead of you, already solved.
        As for the openings, that can be solved by editing the grid lines so that you get a big panel which you can then change to a door/window panel. Or try this:

        1. First draw all walls with a dummy wall.
        2. Draw the curtain wall in exactly the same place. Before actually drawing the wall make sure that in the Type Properties "automatically embed" is checked ON.
        3. When you need an opening, Edit Profile and draw the openings using sketch lines. If all is well, the dummy wall should re-appear in the openings so that you can now place regular doors and windows.
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          #5
          I am making mini project for university how to make very precise quantity and material takeoff.
          With CW and mullions goes great until..

          Some of the blocks needs to be cut, how can i do that to CW?
          how can i set parameter for void form,cut?
          In picture blue blue area (not line) shows where i want to have block..

          Thanks you and good night
          What is dummy wall? ;/
          Did not see mdradvies edited posts.. will check out 2morrow
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          Last edited by Munkholm; September 5, 2011, 07:48 AM. Reason: Attachment fix

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            #6
            Originally posted by bangobeat View Post
            [ATTACH=CONFIG]3973[/ATTACH]I am making mini project for university how to make very precise quantity and material takeoff.
            With CW and mullions goes great until..

            Some of the blocks needs to be cut, how can i do that to CW?
            how can i set parameter for void form,cut?
            In picture blue blue area (not line) shows where i want to have block..
            If you need an entire block to be something different, go to elevation view, select it, unpin. Now you can change it into any wall or paneltype you want. If you make it a wall type, you can now place the window.

            If you need multiple blocks to be replaced, join them first by deleting the grid line segments that separate them and create one big panel. Then proceed with option 1
            If you need a part of a block to be replaced, separate it by using the Place Grid Line tool. You can select the option to place just 1 segment. After this, proceed with option 1.

            Thanks you and good night
            What is dummy wall? ;/
            Did not see mdradvies edited posts.. will check out 2morrow
            I edited my first post. That CW has running masonry.
            A dummy wall is a wall you use to accomplish something else. For instance if you need a piece of wall to host a door / window on but you don't want showing up in your project or schedules. Mine are typically the default material. I filter my wall schedules and view templates to exclude those.
            But it's not going to work, I tested. The whole outer sketch line defines the cut. The infill isn't going to be replaced by the dummy wall. That's why you need to create a single block the size of the opening you want. Change into the dummy wall and use it to host your door/window
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              #7
              Originally posted by bangobeat View Post
              [ATTACH=CONFIG]3973[/ATTACH]I am making mini project for university how to make very precise quantity and material takeoff.
              I'm not sure even that will work for you then.

              When I order block at work, we have corners, stretchers, open bottom bond beams, trough beams, etc. etc.
              You can't just order an amount based on square footage. There's many components that go into making a block building. How would Revit know the quantities of each type you would need?
              Dan

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                #8
                Originally posted by dzatto View Post
                I'm not sure even that will work for you then.

                When I order block at work, we have corners, stretchers, open bottom bond beams, trough beams, etc. etc.
                You can't just order an amount based on square footage. There's many components that go into making a block building. How would Revit know the quantities of each type you would need?
                By defining different panel types and manually replacing the standard blocks.
                A lot of work but certainly doable.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
                  By defining different panel types and manually replacing the standard blocks.
                  A lot of work but certainly doable.
                  Yeah, I have better things to do. :laugh:
                  Dan

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by dzatto View Post
                    Yeah, I have better things to do. :laugh:
                    not if you were a ACM panel detailer! The method indicated by Mr. Dutch Chocolate :thumbsup: is how aluminum panel systems are detailed. Same considerations as blocks, lots of different types at perimeters, at window frames, at parapets or sills. In the end all panels are scheduled as to width, height, type, finish, etc.
                    I'm retired, if you don't like it, go around!

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