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    Is this curtain wall joint possible to model?

    We're getting paid extra to model from the curtain wall shop drawings for an upcoming coordination/scheduling review. I know that Revit's horizontal mullions stop as soon as it gets to a vertical mullion (or vice versa), but is there any way to get this portion in red included? or do i need a small family placed at all conditions?
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    Ryan Taube
    BIM Manager - Clayco Construction | Lamar Johnson Collaborative

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    If you model it with several curtain walls instead of one, yes. Otherwise, no. Like you said, it would be a secondary element.

    I'm sure Dave Jones will chime in on this as well. (nudge-nudge)
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      #3
      Could just include it in the curtain panel family if it doesn't need to schedule.
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        #4
        Originally posted by GMcDowellJr View Post
        If you model it with several curtain walls instead of one, yes. Otherwise, no. Like you said, it would be a secondary element.

        I'm sure Dave Jones will chime in on this as well. (nudge-nudge)
        if I did "chime in" I just agree with you that overlaid curtain walls is the way to create that joinery properly

        Edit: and looking at the screen shot again I'm surprised that the vertical exterior fins would be continuous. Most Architects that I've dealt with would want a picture frame effect...To create that joinery look would take but two curtain walls given the non picture frame requirement
        Last edited by Dave Jones; October 5, 2017, 07:20 PM.
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          #5
          Ryan, what version of Revit are you using. If I'm going to do a sample you might as well be able to use it.
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            #6
            i'm using 2017, but am able to open 2018 and lower. And you're right in your surprise for the continuous vertical fins, it actually is a picture frame effect where it's open in all directions, but i figured that would be even more impossible than the example i showed. I wasn't able to create a pure void family that cuts the vertical mullions, so i left it as shown.

            The important part for us is that every part is there, so that it can be sequenced, so not being able to do this is not a huge deal. I'm just trying to push it past where my knowledge ends.
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            Ryan Taube
            BIM Manager - Clayco Construction | Lamar Johnson Collaborative

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              #7
              I love curtain wall pictures I'll get back to this in the morning. What do you mean by "sequenced"?


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                #8
                Originally posted by Dave Jones View Post
                What do you mean by "sequenced"?
                we’re going to take the model into Navisworks and basically assign an installation date to every item (mullion, glass panels, brackets, fins, etc) . It has a timeline feature that will create a 4D animation of the construction sequence with pretty high accuracy in terms of time. It also allows the fabricators a chance to make sure things are going in at the right time.

                thats why I’m not sure if nested panels would work as it would put parts of the mullion into the panels.
                Ryan Taube
                BIM Manager - Clayco Construction | Lamar Johnson Collaborative

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                  #9
                  Looking forward to seeing Dave’s example. I wouldn’t guess he’s using mullions nested in the panels but we’ll know soon enough!


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                    #10
                    Can I get some coffee first?


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                    Edit: hey Ryan, I got into the office and started on this sample and the you know what has hit the fan so I'm going to have to put it off until tomorrow. I'll post a Revit project tomorrow sometime...sorry
                    Last edited by Dave Jones; October 6, 2017, 02:32 PM.
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