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    All, I am looking for some in the trenches info regarding Autodesk's new licensing scheme, both from an IT implementation standpoint, and from a user experience standpoint. Hopefully this thread can be helpful to everyone considering the new license model.

    1: Are you able to switch licensing model on the current install, or is it like switching from standalone to network, you have to uninstall and reinstall from a Deployment that uses the new licensing?
    2: If you had to reinstall, did you revise your current Deployments to use the new licensing model, or did you have to build all new deployments with the associated lost user Revit.ini customizations?
    3: What is the logon scenario for multiple products on the new license? Do you have one Autodesk logon per day? Autodesk Logon at every launch of every product? Something in between?
    4: Has anyone run into issues where the logon doesn't work, either because Autodesk's cloud service has issues, or your internet connection has issues? Does this result in a dead program, or do you have some sort of grace period before it stops working?

    Thanks!
    Gordon
    Pragmatic Praxis

    #2
    Can't help, but will be following this closely...

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      #3
      Originally posted by Gordon Price View Post
      All, I am looking for some in the trenches info regarding Autodesk's new licensing scheme, both from an IT implementation standpoint, and from a user experience standpoint. Hopefully this thread can be helpful to everyone considering the new license model.

      1: Are you able to switch licensing model on the current install, or is it like switching from standalone to network, you have to uninstall and reinstall from a Deployment that uses the new licensing?
      2: If you had to reinstall, did you revise your current Deployments to use the new licensing model, or did you have to build all new deployments with the associated lost user Revit.ini customizations?
      3: What is the logon scenario for multiple products on the new license? Do you have one Autodesk logon per day? Autodesk Logon at every launch of every product? Something in between?
      4: Has anyone run into issues where the logon doesn't work, either because Autodesk's cloud service has issues, or your internet connection has issues? Does this result in a dead program, or do you have some sort of grace period before it stops working?

      Thanks!
      Gordon
      Licensing Info:
      https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/insta...g/td-p/7250896
      https://knowledge.autodesk.com/searc...Licensing.html

      Changing Products:
      https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/insta...on/m-p/7392475
      https://knowledge.autodesk.com/custo...lean-uninstall

      Forum Post I made:
      https://forums.autodesk.com/t5/insta...ys/m-p/7388352

      I had to switch a computer over to the collection last week and it SUCKED. Wouldn't have been as bad except I needed the Design Suite license I was removing and (as usual) I completely forgot to release it (standalone, no network seats.) I ended up:
      1. completely uninstalling everything
      2. installing the new software
      3. realize I couldn't change product keys without a clean uninstall and that I forgot to release the license
      4. uninstall again
      5. reinstall the older stuff to get the stupid license transfer utility that installs with CAD but not Revit (after I installed Revit :banghead
      6. uninstall again
      7. delete a bunch of folders as mentioned in the clean uninstall document above
      8. install the collection software


      Switching a network license just involves changing some information on the license server and should, in theory, be really easy.

      Can't make a unified deployment anymore - each produce requires its own deployment & product key. I was doing that before so not a big change there. It did not occur to me to just modify my existing deployment, but at the moment we still have a split between BDSP & Collection licenses so I need both.

      From what I can tell users will require an Autodesk account in addition to the serial number. I haven't noticed any login windows in a while - I installed on my PC in June. I think it just checks in every so often but I'm not certain.
      Revit for newbies - A starting point for RFO


      chad
      BEER: Better, Efficient, Elegant, Repeatable.

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        #4
        Here are my answers, from a recent Clients Deployment Changes:

        Originally posted by Gordon Price View Post
        All, I am looking for some in the trenches info regarding Autodesk's new licensing scheme, both from an IT implementation standpoint, and from a user experience standpoint. Hopefully this thread can be helpful to everyone considering the new license model.

        1: Are you able to switch licensing model on the current install, or is it like switching from standalone to network, you have to uninstall and reinstall from a Deployment that uses the new licensing?
        My understanding is that you have to reinstall. We ended up just removing all the Autodesk Software entirely, and putting it back on after the fact.

        2: If you had to reinstall, did you revise your current Deployments to use the new licensing model, or did you have to build all new deployments with the associated lost user Revit.ini customizations?
        We used brand new deployments for the same reason Chad did: They now have some BDSP and some IC licenses. Yuck. Not sure i follow you on the INI issues, but they were reorganizing their servers and stuff anyway, so we forced new INI's to the users regardless.

        3: What is the logon scenario for multiple products on the new license? Do you have one Autodesk logon per day? Autodesk Logon at every launch of every product? Something in between?
        I see the Adsk login window pop up when i launch it on a machine that hasnt been signed in yet, but i dont know what it does after. Its interesting to me that- in the link that Chad posted, it says you can ONLY launch 2 products at a time, from your IC. I honestly didnt know that, prior to reading it from the link Chad posted.

        Thats pretty ******. So they made it better about only consuming one version license, if you open a product from multiple years (thats good), but they made it worse because you can only open two products at a time now. So if i need to have Revit, Navis, and AutoCAD opened at the same time, im pretty hosed. Thats lame as hell. (EDIT: Whats odd is we arent seeing that behavior. A machine that has an AEC Collection Standalone install on it, can open 4 different platforms. So i wonder if thats a typo? Or if it only affects multi user Collection Licenses?)

        I actually nagged Autodesk about the older style licenses recently, because the logic doesnt make sense, if you think about how you have to borrow a license.

        Short version:

        I have 2 licenses of BDSU, currently 2018. Naturally, that means I have 2018, 2017, and 2016 installed. Now, I know how the licenses work, and they work exactly as expected when im in the office:

        If I open RVT 2018 and ACAD2018, that’s one license.
        If I open RVT 2017 and ACAD2018, that’s two licenses.
        If I open RVT 2018 and RVT2017, that’s two licenses.

        But, I can open ANY of the versions of Revit, with both of my licenses. Right?

        Then I borrow a license, to travel.

        Well, whatever version I BORROW is the only version I can open. So if I BORROW a license of BDSU2018 (through Revit or Navisworks 2018), I cant open 2017 or 2016 with that borrowed license. Here is why that’s complicated:

        I only have two licenses, and I have three active versions of Revit. Plus, if I borrow BOTH to travel, no one in the office can use the other license.

        Shouldn’t I be able to borrow a license, and launch any of the three years (only one at a time) the same way I can when I’m attached to the FlexLM server?

        Unfortunately, since this has been "resolved" in the new Collections licenses, the answer is "Get the Collection Licenses." Bummer for me. Im never switching my licenses to Collections until they create a way for me to keep Inventor and ditch some other software i dont want and didnt ask for, and at the same price.

        4: Has anyone run into issues where the logon doesn't work, either because Autodesk's cloud service has issues, or your internet connection has issues? Does this result in a dead program, or do you have some sort of grace period before it stops working?
        I cant speak to the licensing login for the IC, but i assume its the same: My C4R login does this CONSTANTLY. It asked me to login this morning, WHILE i was in a model from C4R already. Yesterday it told me i wasnt a part of any online Projects, when i went to open a second file, but i was already IN another model from the same C4R project. Sigh.

        Then again, i get this with Office365 as well. Random damn popups asking me to login, and i type my credentials, and its like "WRONG TRY AGAIN." Works five minutes later, same password. Go figure.

        Thanks!
        Gordon[/QUOTE]
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          #5
          Gordon, the current Subscription program is a joke...it never works right. Even if someone has a license and their e-mail was authorized in the user manager to have access, people will login and suddenly be back on trial instead of licensed version. Those on a license server though should be working as they always have.

          There is an issue where if you start out with the trial and switch to license (usually this is student only now) or subscription (e-mail login) you get thrown into a registration loop. Autodesk recently posted some folders and files that need to be deleted, but sometimes that doesn't even work. What seems to work best is to uninstall everything, log out of the Autodesk App, reboot, log back into the Autodesk App and let it install from there. Of course that is just for subscription customers only. This seems to be mostly Autocad though, Revit seems to work just fine.
          Michael "MP" Patrick (Deceased - R.I.P)

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            #6
            I just installed 2018 at home, using the Desktop App, and didn't have to input a serial number or anything like that to register it. I was signed into the app for the install, which I assume transfers license information automatically.
            Revit for newbies - A starting point for RFO


            chad
            BEER: Better, Efficient, Elegant, Repeatable.

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              #7
              Originally posted by cellophane View Post
              I just installed 2018 at home, using the Desktop App, and didn't have to input a serial number or anything like that to register it. I was signed into the app for the install, which I assume transfers license information automatically.
              Yep! That is why it works. The other issue is IT folk not knowing you have to assign users to the license vs just giving them a serial number and product key like in the past.
              Michael "MP" Patrick (Deceased - R.I.P)

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