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    Unhosted Family Hosted by Floor. Why??

    Odd behavior that stymied me in the past......an unhosted family is assuming a floor as its host when placed in the model. I encountered this a few yrs back and never determined the cause.

    One of our teams approached me today asking about it. They are concerned because the components they are placing in groups are attaching to floors outside the group. Seems that folks are listening now that I've preached time and again about making sure that the host for a component in a group, also resides in the group This is good. Most definitely good.

    I'm finding though that this issue is rather innocuous. If you delete the floor, the family returns to an 'unhosted' state. If you copy/paste aligned to other levels -- whether grouped or not -- they too are restored to unhosted.

    Have you noticed this behavior before? Would you agree that it is benign in nature and nothing to be concerned about?

    Even if harmless, the curious side of me wants to underside the logic of why these components seemingly assume floors as hosts. Thanks if you can shed any light on this.


    Jonathan Ludwig
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    #2
    I have noticed this (particularly with casework) and it bugs me. It causes an issue when something (like casework) gets placed in a view with finish floors on, because then the case sits on top of the finish floor that should abut the base. There might be times where it would be handy, but mostly it's just annoying and hard to change, since you have to go into a section/elevation view to rehost it to the level. Often I'll place casework outside the building and then move them in so they don't host incorrectly (even when they are hosting to the slab the property annoys me).
    Julie Kidder
    Architect + BIM Director
    Hartman + Majewski Design Group

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      #3
      Could it perhaps be that the unhosted family is being placed on a Face, which is the default option when creating an instance?
      I'm retired, if you don't like it, go around!

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        #4
        Originally posted by Dave Jones View Post
        Could it perhaps be that the unhosted family is being placed on a Face, which is the default option when creating an instance?
        That's a default option when placing a workplane based family. The families that have the issue are families that aren't workplane based, and have no controls for hosting when placing.
        Julie Kidder
        Architect + BIM Director
        Hartman + Majewski Design Group

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          #5
          Originally posted by jmk View Post
          That's a default option when placing a workplane based family. The families that have the issue are families that aren't workplane based, and have no controls for hosting when placing.
          hmm, I hadn't noticed that before as all of my families are WP based. I'll go back into my corner now...sorry for the intrusion
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            #6
            Its an annoyance, and ive never heard a reason for it either. I just get in the habit of turning off Floors when placing certain types of content. =(
            Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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              #7
              Thanks all for the quick response! Yeah, i've been doing either of the two solutions --- placing outside the floor, or turning floors off. It is an annoyance. Guess this will be one of those unsolved Revit mysteries for now.

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                #8
                Is not so illogical.
                That's a furniture
                If you change the level of the floor would expect that the furniture also did


                The problem for me is that sometimes,the host is a floor,and other times it is the level.
                And that can be confusing


                I think you just have to be a little careful
                it's not a big deal
                "-Bueno, pues ahora que los dos nos hemos visto el uno al otro -repuso el
                unicornio-si tu crees en mi, yo creeré en tí, ¿trato hecho?"
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                  #9
                  It's not always furniture... It's easy enough to check what objects are hosted to, it would just be nice if it was easier to edit the host without having to go to a section or elevation to pick the level. Lots of family types already have that basic functionality.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by duende123 View Post
                    Is not so illogical.
                    That's a furniture
                    If you change the level of the floor would expect that the furniture also did


                    The problem for me is that sometimes,the host is a floor,and other times it is the level.
                    And that can be confusing


                    I think you just have to be a little careful
                    it's not a big deal
                    Its entirely illogical. It does it for Casework, as well, and not all "Casework" goes on the floor. I would agree that its not a *Big deal,* but if the mantra is *you just have to be careful,* i would wager that NO issues in the software are that big of a deal, lol.
                    Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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