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    #21
    I get where your head is at... But how does it being in a separate spot in a keynote file give you any added protection at all? It doesnt. It just makes them go somewhere else. And hell... A user that cant find what they want easily enough in a keynote file will just smear text everywhere.
    Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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      #22
      right, deciding which should be putting into user keynote within that keynote file is also questionable

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        #23
        I love the concept of Keynoting and I use it. I just dislike the current implementation; that its a sep file and the keynote value for assemblies, objects and materials cannot be edited at the element level itself. that makes it so un-user friendly. Why can't I just input the value and push it to the file? or better yet have no file at all, some sort of editor built in. Having to use keynote manager to update the file and scroll thru and find the location is what is lame. I think keynotes would be the go to for everyone if they just implemented a more elegant method of assigning the keynotes.
        Scott D. Brown, AIA | Senior Project Manager | Beck Group

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          #24
          Are you guys still using the old free Keynote Manager? The pay version is a lot like what you describe.
          Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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            #25
            We are using the same one as when you were here. I'm glad to know there is an app, but we are probably unlikely to buy it.
            Scott D. Brown, AIA | Senior Project Manager | Beck Group

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              #26
              I've been having a lot of success using Mult-Category tags. They work on darn near everything.
              Greg McDowell Jr
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                #27
                Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
                Are you guys still using the old free Keynote Manager?
                Nope, never have, but then I haven't chimed in on this chat so the question weren't to me!

                Keynotes all the way though.

                Automatic sheet schedule of placed tags? Yes please!

                Association, if not direct or bidirectional, to the specification? You mean the shopping list and instruction guide? Well of course I want my model elements to have, and report via both schedule and tag, that information!

                We still use NBS Building to write our (CAWS*) specification, and we still use the old school method of exporting the keynote .txt to a fixed and referenced location in each specific job folder on our server.
                *we're not finding Uniclass, of any variant, in any demand.

                We use a library specification template, and our Revit template and library elements are prepopulated with it's entries - their values then growing with each new projects addition or deviance from the original prime template.

                Our detail component families are organised by specification clause section both by filename and sub-folder structure.

                We have defined filters (in Revit) and Search Sets (in Navisworks) aimed at all categories to capture all principle specification headers.

                We employ David Light's classic trick of tying a custom SP to the Keynote parameter (only now via Dynamo) in all families (loadable and system) so that element, or multi-, category tags can now also capture and return <Keynote> (specification) annotation - though they don't get caught by the <Keynote> specific/special on-sheet filtered "legend" - but for documenting "Types Phase" elements with stylised tags it remains a massive benefit.

                We also use:
                gen.ano. families for text note blocks nested in title blocks and placed on sheet/view, and symbolic labelling;
                legends for repetitious messages (themselves often using families to build keys);
                detail components, entourage & railing (!) families for annotative/symbolic elements;
                revision clouds (but not the revision system);
                and yes, dumb text!



                I do harbour a deep resentment for the inefficiencies of tags generally, though not keynotes specifically - as a concept or a method. We don't find ourselves ever much needing more than our specification can communicate, so we do not employ custom or user keynotes - so much so I'm not even sure if "custom" keynotes are a thing!?!
                :hide:

                We don't appear to have found a bottleneck in our work rate that leads us to perceive the keynote-specification workflow to be "slow" in any way. Whilst users may not have an immediate tie-through to edit from Revit, is that not a control gate one would wish to maintain? My thoughts on this might be skewed by the scale of work that I deal with, and I can certainly imagine a one-man-band might want immediacy to edit what some might mistake as simple text on an electronic document - but even then the discipline to close the loop of updating one's specification (to be illustrated by means of a model and views from it) is sound working practice.

                All said; working with tag labels, formatting and type-based visibility gymnastics remains tiresome to this day.

                For sure, one doesn't often revisit the established collection of tag families in one's template file (no?) but as users grow more confident they crave more from their taggable information. This led us to employ the SP "hack" and category tags so we can report pertinent type/instance data (like size) AND the keynote value. As such we are seemingly never not-editing variants of our tags... which, whilst a little vexing, only means our catalogue of content grows, and that's a good thing. I will curate it all. One day.

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by snowyweston View Post
                  We employ David Light's classic trick of tying a custom SP to the Keynote parameter (only now via Dynamo) in all families (loadable and system) so that element, or multi-, category tags can now also capture and return <Keynote> (specification) annotation - though they don't get caught by the <Keynote> specific/special on-sheet filtered "legend" - but for documenting "Types Phase" elements with stylised tags it remains a massive benefit.
                  What's this about? Do you, by chance, have a link to explain more?
                  Greg McDowell Jr
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by snowyweston View Post
                    I do harbour a deep resentment for the inefficiencies of tags generally, though not keynotes specifically - as a concept or a method.
                    What's inefficient about tags? You're losing me here... a keynote is just another tag.
                    Greg McDowell Jr
                    about.me/GMcDowellJr

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
                      Are you guys still using the old free Keynote Manager? The pay version is a lot like what you describe.
                      Originally posted by sdbrownaia View Post
                      We are using the same one as when you were here. I'm glad to know there is an app, but we are probably unlikely to buy it.
                      The newer versions of Keynote Manager are pretty sweet, especially if you get KM+. It has a window in Revit that lets you edit on the fly (and multiple people can edit the same file) and has useful functions like an indication if a keynote is in-use that will also tell you what it is used on. There is also some cloud functionality, but I haven't really used it And Steve is a super nice guy!

                      https://revolutiondesign.biz/product...ager/features/
                      Revit for newbies - A starting point for RFO


                      chad
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