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    Jason Grant: Lighting Analysis - Run and Seen Within Revit

    ElumTools http://www.elumtools.com/ is one of the best uses of the Revit API I think I have seen. It truly shows what the future can hold for expanding the capabilities of BIM within the Revit Platform. Currently still in Beta, you can sign up to be part of the testing on their website. In the week or so that I have been involved, they had two beta releases to bring it to Beta 7 as well as a very responsive feedback team. The video below shows the testing I did for the Beta 7 release.
    ELUM Tools Beta 7 from Jason Grant on Vimeo.



    Click here to view the entire blog post.

    #2
    Originally posted by Jason Grant Blog View Post
    It truly shows what the future can hold for expanding the capabilities of BIM within the Revit Platform.
    Does MEP not have this OOTB!?

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      #3
      Nope.... 3D Max has btw.
      Martijn de Riet
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        #4
        But which M&E consultants out there use Max? I just find it somewhat puzzling that light and acoustic analysis hasn't made it's way into MEP, that's all.

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          #5
          So one could find out how much glare is on a monitor using this add-in....
          Michael "MP" Patrick (Deceased - R.I.P)

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            #6
            Originally posted by snowyweston View Post
            But which M&E consultants out there use Max? I just find it somewhat puzzling that light and acoustic analysis hasn't made it's way into MEP, that's all.
            Deja vu... didn't we have this discussion recently?
            It's Mechanical, Electrical and Plumbing. Acoustics and Light Analysis are a different fields of expertise in my opinion. I frankly don't know any consultants that would do both.
            Martijn de Riet
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              #7
              Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
              Deja vu... didn't we have this discussion recently?
              Well yes, about acoustics... which I do accept is somewhat of a speciality discipline, but seeing as we got light calculations from 2 different "M&E" consultants on recent jobs, I'd have thought (hoped) that analysis tools had worked their way into Revit MEP.

              I guess I just can't accept the segregation of the different flavours.

              I accept the software acronym defines the target market, but I can't grasp the crossed-arm, line-in-the-sand stance for "what is and what isn't" MEP, when RAC has components from RST & MEP.

              It's hardly "coordinated design" if we play by the old rules of "This is us, that is definately you, and since no one else is around, you can have this aswell". It just seems counter to all things BIM. What next? Revit Civil? Revit Landscape? Revit Interiors? Revit FM? Revit Acoustics? Revit Logistics?

              I'm going to say it... at least Autocad was a digital drawing board you could do anything with - but no, Autodesk appear to want only to diversify, specialise and marginalise their product ranges, not create a singular holistic piece of BIM software.

              Just a thought/rant. Sorry. :thumbsup:

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                #8
                Well, I would love to have all those flavours...
                But seriously, none of the MEP guys I know wouldn't use Acoustics and/or Daylighting. Why not? Well, lack of knowledge, lack of time (one can only do so much in a day. And let's face it, it's complicated stuff so you can't do it once every two weeks and expect to keep your skills up to date)
                So they would be paying for stuff they never use. Cause that's the problem: it isn't hard to make a "master" Revit with all tools from all flavours. But would you use it? You would have to pay for it though...
                Martijn de Riet
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
                  Well, I would love to have all those flavours...
                  Really?
                  Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
                  none of the MEP guys I know wouldn't use Acoustics and/or Daylighting. Why not? Well, lack of knowledge, lack of time (one can only do so much in a day. And let's face it, it's complicated stuff so you can't do it once every two weeks and expect to keep your skills up to date)
                  Well to me that just sounds like excuse making - and is counter to all things progressive. Self-improvement, adaption, lateral thinking - all these things are good things - and make us better people/designers/consultants/etc.

                  I once read a brilliant book by KieranTimberlake, Refabricating Architecture that touches on how the aviation, automotive & nautical industries, having fully embraced their equivalents of BIM, have advanced well beyond that of architecture. To paraphrase JFK,
                  "We do these things not because they are easy, but because they are hard"
                  - so the question is, if we don't, are we happy to stagnate in the pursuit of the easy life? Where is the want for innovation? Or the joy in exploraing, potentially better ways? I'm not just talking about software here, this about design aswell. And I worry that profit more and more these days wins over all.



                  Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
                  it isn't hard to make a "master" Revit with all tools from all flavours. But would you use it? You would have to pay for it though...
                  It would be no different to paying for 3, 4, 6 different flavours though... infact it would be cheaper. And the license seats wouldn't be divided - so there'd be less juggling. As for paying a premium, well that's what happens when things are split apart, then rebundled as something different - it's the emperor's new clothes all over.

                  2008 : "Here's Revit - it can do Architecture, Structure & M&E and costs £2000"
                  2010 : "Here's RAC, it can do Architecture and costs £1800; and there's now MEP for M&E, that's £1800; and RST for structure, that's £1800."
                  2014 : "Here's Revit "Ultimate" - it can do Architecture, Structure & M&E, and costs £4000".


                  Sceptical? Cynical? Yes, I am all these things.
                  Last edited by snowyweston; August 25, 2011, 09:08 AM.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by snowyweston View Post
                    Really?
                    Yup, kinda cool no? But then again, the powers that be (my wife) would demand funding and that might be a problem...


                    Well to me that just sounds like excuse making - and is counter to all things progressive. Self-improvement, adaption, lateral thinking - all these things are good things - and make us better people/designers/consultants/etc.

                    I once read a brilliant book by KieranTimberlake, Refabricating Architecture that touches on how the aviation, automotive & nautical industries, having fully embraced their equivalents of BIM, have advanced well beyond that of architecture. To paraphrase JFK, - so the question is, if we don't, are we happy to stagnate in the pursuit of the easy life? Where is the want for innovation? Or the joy in exploraing, potentially better ways? I'm not just talking about software here, this about design aswell. And I worry that profit more and more these days wins over all.
                    Reread it. Those industries are WAY more segmented then the building industry. For a simple car you have about 600 companies doing separate things and working in their own little subecosphere. You have companies designing the bolts for a little plate thingy made by another company hanging on an big plate thingy made by another company. ALL that a car/airplane manufacturer does is providing all those companies with specks of max weight, dimensions, tensil strength, and so on.
                    I agree, they also probably do make a master model in which all parts come together to do clash detection but that's like a Navisworks environment. All the analysis and modelling is done by separate companies in separate tools.

                    It has nothing to do with getting off easy or making excuses. One cannot know all from everything. I do use MEP, as in: I can model (a bit) with it. Do I have any clue whether the ducts have the correct size? Or how to calculate them? No, I don't. Nor have I knowledge of acoustics or can I correctly interpret the outcome of daylight analysis Same as that I can do some basic structural calculations but I cannot comprehense how to analyse a multi-story prefab concrete structure.

                    It would be no different to paying for 3, 4, 6 different flavours though... infact it would be cheaper. And the license seats wouldn't be divided - so there'd be less juggling. As for paying a premium, well that's what happens when things are split apart, then rebundled as something different - it's the emperor's new clothes all over.

                    2008 : "Here's Revit - it can do Architecture, Structure & M&E and costs £2000"
                    2010 : "Here's RAC, it can do Architecture and costs £1800; and there's now MEP for M&E, that's £1800; and RST for structure, that's £1800."
                    2014 : "Here's Revit "Ultimate" - it can do Architecture, Structure & M&E, and costs £4000".


                    Sceptical? Cynical? Yes, I am all these things.
                    That all depends on the assumption that everyone is going to use the entire packadge. Ask around in your office: how many users do you have that actually USE Revit Structure AND Architecture? Let alone RAC and RMEP? RAC, RMEP and RST? And I don't mean "place a beam in RST". That too can be done in RAC. I mean the actual features one doesn't have in the other flavours.
                    Very very few, and I would bet a fair amount of money on that.
                    For all those users would apply that they pay too much for their software.
                    Martijn de Riet
                    Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
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                    Planta1 Revit Online Consulting

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