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    #21
    Originally posted by RabbitHole View Post
    MR de Riet. Jy is ongelooflik en ek waardeer dit baie.
    This I can understand, sounds like the dialect of my birthplace,

    Hope you won't have to redraw a lot of stuff with deleting the levels, I couldn't find many. As for the stern talking: it took me a few projects and a lot of lost time on workarounds to figure this out (I believe by accident btw), so don't go to hard on them. I believe this to be a bug anyway, it shouldn't happen. You can easily use the third floor CP, so it's not really consistent behaviour. I think their remains some link between the levels somewhere which causes this behaviour.
    Martijn de Riet
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      #22
      Just stamped you another green one. Keep it up.
      Obviously the team does not want to redo the elements present on those levels. So althought this fixes the problem they are going to go with the workout around we cheated with a few weeks ago.
      And in the next one we will be more carefull. Fingers crossed.
      Cheers
      MW

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        #23
        That seems fine after all the plans are typical throughout the different levels right?
        For construction documentation I remeber a company I used to work for would present the plans in that manner an avoided the extra sheets and coordination issues (mind you this was CAD so I use the term coordination very loosely)
        Juan Carlos Moreno
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          #24
          Sorry im so late getting to this party.

          An important thing to remember: VIEWS do not get underlaid. LEVELS do. What does that mean? What ever is between that LEVEL and the NEXT LEVEL ABOVE IT. So if people have levels in there for datum references, your underlay functionality will go to pot. You have to keep repeating the sentence in your head: VIEWS dont get underlaid, LEVELS do.

          Also, items that are IN the view range (even if invisible due to objects blocking them, category shut down, whatever) of the actual view will be automatically eliminated from the Underlay as well.

          EDIT: BTW, if you guys need to post models and cant because of the size, let me know. I have additional webhosting with an FTP site we can use to move things back and forth.
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            #25
            Aaron, off course you're right. The problem is: I didn't find anything on those levels in between that would block the ceiling. So that's why I think this is a bug of some kind.
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              #26
              No, thats not a bug. There are LEVELS in between, right? That means the "underlay level" only shows from itself, up to the next level above it (the one in between that has nothing on it).

              Think of it like this: An underlays "view range" is automatically set: It is AT the level you select for the underlay, looking up (or down) immediately until it hits the next level, and then it clips. Period.
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                #27
                Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
                No, thats not a bug. There are LEVELS in between, right? That means the "underlay level" only shows from itself, up to the next level above it (the one in between that has nothing on it).

                Think of it like this: An underlays "view range" is automatically set: It is AT the level you select for the underlay, looking up (or down) immediately until it hits the next level, and then it clips. Period.
                Sorry, but I need to wrap my head around this one:
                1. You can only use VIEWS as underlay that you already created in your Project
                2. But, if used, it will default clip at the LEVEL above, regardless of the VIEW settings?

                If this is true then the following also goes:

                - Create a new Ceiling Plan View from the highest in-between level (don't know the name, I already deleted and then saved)
                - Use this new Ceiling Plan as a Underlay in the 2nd floor plan and it will show the ceiling plan. Am I correct?

                I am downloading the file again now. This would mean it would be fixable without having to delete any Levels...
                Martijn de Riet
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                  #28
                  OK
                  So this make no sense at all to me. But it works.
                  Aaron, were you part of writing the software Did you get this from Autodesk Tech? Or just a lot of head aches?

                  As in your last post Martjin those steps work and the ceiling shows correct.; What a trip!!!
                  Now back to a "normal " Revit day.
                  Thanks guys.
                  This thread can now go to sleep.
                  Cheers
                  MW

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by mdradvies View Post
                    Sorry, but I need to wrap my head around this one:
                    1. You can only use VIEWS as underlay that you already created in your Project
                    No, No, No. Youre not reading what im writing, hehehe. VIEWS cannot be underlays. Look at your options for underlays. They are LEVELS. NOT VIEWS. There is a difference.
                    2. But, if used, it will default clip at the LEVEL above, regardless of the VIEW settings?
                    It will always clip at the level above (or below). Yes.

                    If this is true then the following also goes:

                    - Create a new Ceiling Plan View from the highest in-between level (don't know the name, I already deleted and then saved)
                    - Use this new Ceiling Plan as a Underlay in the 2nd floor plan and it will show the ceiling plan. Am I correct?

                    I am downloading the file again now. This would mean it would be fixable without having to delete any Levels...
                    [/quote]

                    No no no. Making a new PLAN doesnt do ANYTHING. Making a new LEVEL, or taking a level OUT, does something. Plans and Levels (in this regard) have very little to do with each other.
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                      #30
                      Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
                      No, No, No. Youre not reading what im writing, hehehe. VIEWS cannot be underlays. Look at your options for underlays. They are LEVELS. NOT VIEWS. There is a difference.


                      It will always clip at the level above (or below). Yes.

                      No no no. Making a new PLAN doesnt do ANYTHING. Making a new LEVEL, or taking a level OUT, does something. Plans and Levels (in this regard) have very little to do with each other.[/QUOTE]



                      Thanks, got this down (finally).

                      And in response to this,

                      RabbitHole, (please change this name, I keep getting awkward visuals on this one): sorry about my first solution. The whole thing can be done quite easily. Instead of using the 2nd Floor as Reflected Ceiling Plan Underlay, use the Level Meeting Room Parapet. This is the level directly beneath the ceiling, if you use this one it will show from this level to the level 3rd floor.

                      Badabing - Badaboem, done. You won't have to delete anything.

                      And my previous solution is a load of crap :banghead:, but hey: it's the effort that counts.
                      Martijn de Riet
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