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**mdradvies** · January 7, 2011, 08:25 PM

How do you mean "model vs annotate". Do you want to Draft the existing building or something?
I model everything. Created an Parametic Conceptual Mass that covers 90% of the houses and their possible expansions (we like our standards here). When I start a project, simply choose which type is the most similar, import it, change it as needed and apply walls/floors/roofs to face. This covers about 60% off the work for the existing building. Just add Curtain Walls for exterior openings and the interior walls, doors and rooms. Usually takes about two hours to set up an existing house.

I use the OOTB settings for Phasing, being Existing - Demo - New.

**Munkholm** · January 7, 2011, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by mdradvies View Post

I use the OOTB settings for Phasing, being Existing - Demo - New.

Just to clarify: Demo is not a phase (it´s an action) and it´s not set to be a phase in the OOTB templates either

**mdradvies** · January 7, 2011, 08:55 PM

really, it isn't? Go figure... been using Phases so long (imbedded in my template) this slipped my mind.
in that case: I added one Phase: Demo. Actually, it's called "MdR_slopen" but that won't really ring a bell either...

**JCM** · January 7, 2011, 08:57 PM

What I meant by model vs (draft) is the issue of walls, beams and footings. Usually we have to tie into existing beams or footings for the expansion but i was wondering if i should model the tie beams or just do the walls attached to roof and then in a section view annotate those details

I like the conceptual mass approach. Seems like a great idea to setup the existing portion. I'll see if I can make that work for me.

Thanks

**Ian.Kidston** · January 8, 2011, 08:42 PM

Hi Juan,

For me, it is a kind of "horses for courses" approach.

If I am documenting a totally normal / simple residential project, then I would opt for the masking region / detail lines - components etc in the sections. However, if I am documenting a complex build, then I would model pretty much everything as there will be a lot of views and structural details I would wish to show.

In a recent complex project, (a three storey extension over and existing 20mx8m garage), I modeled every structural element and provided a full set of structural details and 3d views for each level.

On the other hand, I just finish a simple single storey extension to a timber clad cottage and as there were no design or structural elements which were in any way unusual, I opted to use detail elements and typical drawings throughout.

Cheers,

**JCM** · January 8, 2011, 08:49 PM

Thanks guys for the feedback!
I really appreciate it

**Gordon Price** · January 8, 2011, 11:04 PM

I make some changes in the phase settings.
Existing, New and Demo all are modified to use Line Weights by Category, with a gray color as the only override for Existing, and a line pattern of Demo as the only override for Demo. A cut wall should still have a heavy line, be it existing, new or demo.
I also turn off the material overrides for everything.

Gordon

**tylerbmc** · October 16, 2013, 05:22 PM

I've been searching for an answer to this problem for months now and just came across this thread. I'm hoping you fellow renovators might have an answer. To make new construction simple for clients to visualize I created a graphic override for new walls so that any new wall will display a teal solid hatch. The only problem with this is that for some reason the hatch overrides all the construction details of the wall. so instead of showing 2 layers of gypsum with the stud in the center hatched, it eliminates the lines detailing the gypsum and shows the wall as if the detail level was on course. This becomes problematic when annotating the plans. I need to be able to dimension to the edge of the structural element (in this case the 2x4 stud) but it will only let me dimension to the finished exterior or center of the wall. Here is a link to a separate thread i created a few months back looking for an answer but had no luck: RevitCity.com | Adding Dimensions to new walls in the "New" phase There are some good screenshots showing my problem within this thread. Please let me know if you have a solution. Thanks!

**dzatto** · October 16, 2013, 06:25 PM

First, welcome to RFo. :thumbsup:

Why not just add the fill pattern to the stud portion of the wall (in the material settings)?

Actually, take it one step further and create a new material for the new walls. Each new material having the cut pattern be a solid fill, with the color set to teal.

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