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    VPN to shared model

    Ik work as a freelance modeller and i want to be able to draw in the same model as some other draftsmen in another office.

    The situation is as followed.
    They work on a central file in their office, with 2-3 persons at the same time.
    They do not want to use Revit server or A360.

    They got a 1Gb fiber connection and i got a 500Mbit fiber connection, with 7ms latency.

    Can i VPN to their network and make a local file over the internet (VPN connection)?
    I have read stories about 30+ minutes sync time but is it also that long with these fast connections?
    Last edited by Marcel Jansen; December 25, 2016, 07:34 AM.
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    #2
    There is a very good likelihood that you will eventually corrupt the model, working over VPN. Regular LAN based worksharing isnt meant to be used across a WAN, let alone across something like VPN or wifi. Sure, it will succeed at syncing (very very very slowly) some of the time. And then sometimes, models just get corrupted, without rhyme or reason. I wouldnt do it.
    Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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      #3
      A VPN will work if you use Revit Server to store the Revit models. However, larger firms are typically against this because it requires opening the firewalls to port 808. They have more stringent security policies and do not typically allow opening ports in the firewall.

      Otherwise, I second Aaron's recommendation.
      Last edited by Markus; December 27, 2016, 04:21 PM.

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        #4
        Thansk for the answers, looks like i need to convince them to start using Revit server.
        www.jansenengineering.nl

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          #5
          At which point you'll need an accelerator server at your location. Or its no different than normal revit, to your machine.
          Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
          @Web | @Twitter | @LinkedIn | @Email

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            #6
            Here is an older slide comparing Revit Server to Citrix. Though some of the information is outdated regarding Citrix, the Revit Server portion is still applicable.
            The Autodesk solution is to use BIM360 Collaboration for Revit, which is Revit Server in the cloud. However, it involves additional costs. Approximately $80/person/month in the US.

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              #7
              I have worked with another company with Revit server and that worked perfect.
              The big problem is, the company i work with now, doesn't want to use Revit server.

              Collaboration for Revit costs 1050 euro's a year here and we work in a team of 10-15 people.
              They are not gonna pay that much, just for me to be able to work from my own office.
              Last edited by Marcel Jansen; December 29, 2016, 07:47 AM.
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                #8
                Originally posted by mjajansen View Post
                Collaboration for Revit costs 1050 euro's a year here and we work in a team of 10-15 people.
                They are not gonna pay that much, just for me to be able to work from my own office.
                Since you're a freelancer, either way, the companies you are working for will be required to expend cost, IT effort, maintenance, and additional security vulnerabilities for you to be in their model on their network from an outside location.

                I am a one man show myself and I have one full time sub-contractor who works for me. We both use C4R between each other for obvious reasons, and I have convinced three other companies (my clients) to adopt C4R. I set them up with at least one license that is a floating license tied to a generic Autodesk account for all of their employees to use. Two offices has a need of more than one user in the project.

                The way to sell it is to budget a month-to-month C4R cost for however many floating C4R licenses your client will reasonably need on a project. Say your client has a larger project and needs 3 user licenses for 4 months, in the US that would be $900 for that project. Considering your client can buy and cancel as they need, it may be a great cost benefit in the end considering how much cost in hardware and IT labor in setup and maintenance. If they are hiring you to be extra design labor then it may make sense. I know it's worked very well for me and my three big clients.

                And as soon as your services aren't needed, they can transfer from C4R to their local network, cancel the monthly renewal of the C4R monthly license and continue working as necessary.

                Either way it'll be a give and take between you and your client. C4R is still probably the best solution overall.

                -TZ
                Tannar Z. Frampton ™
                Frampton & Associates, Inc.

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                  #9
                  Also, I think C4R is running a 60 day free trial right now. Autodesk seems to be really pushing C4R with a full 60 day full access trial (and I don't blame them, it's a good service so far). You may want to take up this offer and convince your client(s) to do the same just to give it a whirl for two full months and assess the pro's and con's afterward.

                  -TZ

                  *EDIT*
                  Link:
                  http://www.autodesk.com/products/col...vit/free-trial
                  Tannar Z. Frampton ™
                  Frampton & Associates, Inc.

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                    #10
                    from my 'lessons learned'; don't promote revit server - it cost too much on all levels and is a major pain to maintain. Do promote using C4R - the costs are FAR less for what the in-house revit-server solution provides, although you'll have to put up with the current intermittent outages, that in theory, we should start to see less of in 2017. Permissions need some work.

                    in all, we've determined the cost and benefits far outweigh the risks.

                    i continue to be a proponent of C4R/BIM360. it solves a lot of problems for us and has enabled great collaboration and coordination within our various projects and project team members.

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