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    Which is the best way to Control Visibility?

    As i had mentioned in the Title Which is the best way to Control Visibility?
    Is it the View Template or Worksets or Hybrid combination of both, this question arise to me as few BIM Managers says we should Control Visibility only by View Templates, but few others say it should only done by Worksets.

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    Originally posted by amarkrish108 View Post
    As i had mentioned in the Title Which is the best way to Control Visibility?
    Is it the View Template or Worksets or Hybrid combination of both, this question arise to me as few BIM Managers says we should Control Visibility only by View Templates, but few others say it should only done by Worksets.

    Friends Help me out on this.
    Some here will tell you worksets are not the answer. I have always kept this mantra until now. In the last year I have been working on much larger projects than previously and I'm now working on multiple highrise towers on a single site. I still haven't figured it out 100% but currently I'm using a combination of VT's and worksets. Although I must admit the worksets are a per view thing still. We have a full ID team here too so that always makes it more complicated.
    Worksets turned off help daily workflows, everything needs to nbe on for printing anyway, so for me it's still VT's first, by category and filters, always. View templates are the best Revit invention. Ever.
    Last edited by elton williams; December 13, 2016, 10:37 AM.
    There are no stupid questions, only stupid people

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      #3
      My comments are always with an MEP mindset. The simple answer to this is both. If you can use a Workset for on/off visibility, then do it. But don't use them simply for on/off reasons alone.

      -TZ
      Tannar Z. Frampton ™
      Frampton & Associates, Inc.

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        #4
        Because of some of the things mentioned in Eltons post- and in the original post- i want to clarify a couple of things:

        1. Unloading Worksets- This is the practice of opening the WORKSETS dialogue (not the VG: Worksets dialogue) and UNLOADING the worksets, so they are set to Closed/Not Opened. This means the worksets are currently not visible in ANY view, for the current user. As far as the computer is concerned, those worksets "arent there."

        2. Setting worksets to not visible by default in all views- This is the practice of opening the WORKSETS dialogue (not the VG; Worksets dialogue) and setting the Workset to not be visible, by default, in all views. In this case the worksets DO exist (as far as the computer is concerned) but BY DEFAULT the worksets setting in VG:Worksets is "not visible (by default)" which means the workset does not show up in a view unless told to do otherwise.

        3. Using worksets to control visibility individually- This is the practice of going in to the VG:Worksets dialogue (either in a view or a View Template), and setting worksets to Visible or Invisible (show or Hide) as a way to control the different groupings of objects, and what you want to see in each view or view type.

        4. Using Filters to control visibility of objects- This is the practive of using VG:Filters, and View Ribbon:Filters, to alter or control the visibility of things based on the objects and their properties, instead of relying on what workset they are currently on, and the setting of that workset related to the views settings.

        5. View Template are settings that can be applied to views, that can INCLUDE items 3 and 4 (View Templates and worksets, and View Templates and Filters, are not mutually exclusive). You can use View Templates to turn off worksets (yuck). You can use View Templates to turn off Filters. Or Categories. And so on.

        To say (in the Original Post) that some BIM Managers are "either for View Templates or Worksets" doesnt quite make sense because it isnt "one or the other." I would think (hope) most users (by now) see the value of View Templates. Having said that:

        ITEM 1 ABOVE: This is something EVERYONE should do, as its not a VIEW SETTING its a computer performance and speed issue. If you are working in Area 1 of the building, and you dont need areas 2,3,4,5,6 loaded, you can unload them, and your computer will perform faster.

        ITEMS 2 AND 3 ABOVE: This is the part many of us are against doing. If you endorse doing it that way, rock on. The simple fact is there is more than one way to handle visibility, and- given the pros and cons of both which are outlined in many many threads- many of us feel like using worksets for managing view specific visibility traits, is hacky and works like crap. THESE are the two items that are very much debated (and will continue to be).

        ITEM 4: The folks who abhor using items 2 and 3 likely have extensive setups involving Filters, that do all of the same things (and more) but require a set of standards be in place (and be adhered to) for the graphical setup to work. In my case, all of the Filters are completed and set up in the Project Template, so things are just *done* when the users go in the project.

        ITEM 5: Honestly... If there are still people who think View Templates arent worth using, they must be working on absolutely tiny projects, have extensive fee, or dont mind wasting time and money. I apologize to those folks if that sounds rude and harsh and arrogant, but thats the way it is.
        Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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          #5
          Originally posted by elton williams View Post
          View templates are the best Revit invention. Ever.
          THIS....truth :thumbsup:
          John Karben | IMEG Corp.

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