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    Elevation bubbles and unfilled arrows

    So I am trying to do what should be a very simple thing, revise the elevation bubbles to offer an unfilled option. I opened the Elevation Mark Body_Circle family. Then opened the Elevation Mark Pointer_Circle from there. I created a new Type, called Open Arrow, and unselected Filled. Load that back into the body. Create a new type there called Open, and change the Arrow Type label to Open Arrow. Get a Constraints are not satisfied error, and if I Remove Constraints I get this! :banghead:
    Click image for larger version Name: Elevation detonation.PNG Views: 1 Size: 17.3 KB ID: 403192

    So I guess my first question is how on earth can simple visibility break constraints like this? And does anyone have some thoughts on what to fix in the Arrow family to get an unfilled arrow to work?

    Thanks!
    Gordon
    Pragmatic Praxis
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    #2
    I have had similar troubles before. I would recomend starting a new and building what you need from scratch. Ive found this way always works out best for me.

    :-\
    -Alex Cunningham

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      #3
      Yeah, headed down that road. But I am curious to understand what is causing the problem. I don't understand how visibility changes could affect geometry constraints this way. And it feels like a situation one could get into "from scratch" as well. I have tried turning on Automatic Sketch Dimensions, as that often shines a light on the problem, and there simply are none. I find I am unclear on what the two Ref Lines in the arrow do also, and I suspect therein lies the problem.

      Thanks,
      Gordon
      Pragmatic Praxis

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        #4
        If you are still working with a tag that is close to the original. Just go into the elevation mark pointer and slect the filled region.
        Add a parameter to the visibility of the filled region. And just load back up the tree.
        Try getting a Revit default in the project to edit and start from there.
        not sure this helps.
        Sure you will get it sorted soon.
        Cheers
        MW

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          #5
          MWEILDMAN is correct with "Add a parameter to the visibility of the filled region within the pointer" and have it turned off.
          or
          havn't tried but maybe white filled region.
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          Mark Balsom

          If it ain't broke, fix it till it is.

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            #6
            The thing is, the parameter is already there. All I did was create a new type and toggle the parameter off. Reload and boom! The really crazy thing is I discovered the Detail type looks exactly like I want, has the parameter off, and works. So I just renamed and deleted some types and got to where I need to be, but as usual the totally inadequate warning and error system gave me nothing more than the Revit equivalent of "I've fallen, and I can't get up!" So helpful.

            Gordon
            Pragmatic Praxis

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              #7
              Originally posted by Gordon Price View Post
              The thing is, the parameter is already there. All I did was create a new type and toggle the parameter off. Reload and boom! The really crazy thing is I discovered the Detail type looks exactly like I want, has the parameter off, and works. So I just renamed and deleted some types and got to where I need to be, but as usual the totally inadequate warning and error system gave me nothing more than the Revit equivalent of "I've fallen, and I can't get up!" So helpful.

              Gordon
              I am curious though: can you open to edit and reload without editing anything? or does this also give an error? sounds like a bug in the family file to me.
              wouldn't know how to test it, dumped these the first chance I had...

              About the warning system: I don't even bother opening and reading these anymore. The usual suggestion (if any) is "delete this element". Well, of course deleting all the difficult stuff solves the problem. But if I didn't want it in my model, I wouldn't have been drawing it...:banghead:
              Martijn de Riet
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