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    Groups, Attached Detail Groups, and Fix Groups

    I'm using groups on a condo project with some success. Generally speaking, if something goes wrong and I need to fix the group it's not a problem. I just have Revit make new group types and I swap out the old for the new en masse, delete the old groups, and rename the new. Except there's one problem... attached detail groups don't get recreated when Revit fixes the offending group. Ruh-oh.

    Any thoughts or workarounds?
    Greg McDowell Jr
    about.me/GMcDowellJr

    #2
    Only solution is to check the Group Errors to see what is making them break.
    Dwane

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      #3
      Not letting it break in the first place is a barely workable answer. Boo.
      Greg McDowell Jr
      about.me/GMcDowellJr

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        #4
        I tend to only use Attached Detail Groups for Model Groups when im saving something out to a library, to bring it in to a project with all of its annotations. In situations where i have many of something in a project- even though i completely agree with having all instances modeled- what types of annotation make it necessary to show it on every single instance of the group?

        I know that doesnt help with the actual problem, which i dont have a good answer for. But im curious what detailing you are propagating to all instances of the group?
        Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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          #5
          I'm not propagating the detail everywhere. Just one place but when, all of a sudden, it disappears because I had to swap out broken groups it makes my eyebrows raise. I've since gone through and ungrouped the attached details so I don't have to worry about missing annotations but it's still something to be concerned about and aware of.
          Greg McDowell Jr
          about.me/GMcDowellJr

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            #6
            Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
            what types of annotation make it necessary to show it on every single instance of the group?
            I did this most recently with the units in an assisted living job. I added wall tags as an attached detail group and could then add the wall tags to every instance in the model on my plans. I know opinions vary on whether annotations like that need to be on the overall plan and enlarged plans or just enlarged plans but it is an easy change in either case.

            I want to say there was something else I did the same thing with but I don't remember at the moment what it was...
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            chad
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              #7
              Good example. My view on this sort of thing is how much work is it for me vs how much benefit does the contractor get in the field. If I can tag all the walls in the same couple of sheets without undo hardship (and an attached detail group would certainly fit the bill) then I think it's a good move. If I had to tag all the walls manually then no, I'd vote for the enlarged plan.
              Greg McDowell Jr
              about.me/GMcDowellJr

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                #8
                Hmm, i see. I guess the only thing i could think of would be trying to save the group out, edit it there, bring it in as a new group (with the detail groups), then switch them out? But god, that process would suck. Plus im not sure if it would make you RE-place the detail groups, which i wouldnt be a fan of (annotative things moving from day to day... yuck.)

                I agree: there is no real way to avoid the *Fix Groups* encounters, that ive found. I just trained teams to work around that issue with the workflow you describe.
                Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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