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    [Revit Architecture] - Better Paint and Split Face Tools

    Applies to: - Revit Architecture

    New Feature / Problem:
    Improve the stability / permanence of the Split Face and Paint Tools

    Why do you need this Feature / Why is it a Problem:
    The current "best practice" is to avoid using the Split Face and Paint Tool methods
    for placing various materials on walls, floors, etc.

    The problem is that the Split Faces can get deleted when edits are made to the host objects that the split-faces are placed on. This causes a lot of frustration, rework and lost time.

    Workflow:
    Create a Split-Face, and add a new feature to "lock" the split-face regions so they become stable and permanent until "unlocked", and only then can they be edited and/or deleted.

    Once the "locked" Split Faces are in place, use the Paint Tool to apply different materials, which will now also remain "locked" onto the split-face host.

    Allow Split-Faces to be placed and locked on any surface on any host object.

    Benefits:
    Ability to quickly use Split-Face and Paint method, but not have to worry about them being deleted due to edits to host geometry.

    Split Face/Paint currently is avoided because of deletion and rework.
    If the new "locking" ability is added, the Split face/Paint technique can be used to very quickly study different materials and combinations of materials on just about any surface. This will lead to increased productivity, especially in early conceptual design stages when rapid iterations of design studies occur.

    Attachment comments:
    Cliff B. Collins
    Registered Architect
    The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects, St. Louis, MO
    Autodesk Expert Elite

    #2
    Carefull there: do we really need another way to hide and bury constraints in a project? But stability does indeed need work.
    There must be a better way...

    Ekko Nap
    Professional nitpicker, architect, revit consultant, etc.

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      #3
      Sorry, don't care cause I preach not to use it... And practise it too....
      Martijn de Riet
      Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
      MdR Advies
      Planta1 Revit Online Consulting

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        #4
        Martijn,

        I agree--it their current state we also train our users to not use split-face/paint methods.

        The reason you "preach not to use it" is because it doesn't work! My wishlist item proposes to fix the split-face and paint tools to make them "lockable".
        If they were fixed, I think they would become a much more valuable tool and a real time-saver.
        Cliff B. Collins
        Registered Architect
        The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects, St. Louis, MO
        Autodesk Expert Elite

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          #5
          Well, I would like to use the Paint Tool. But only as paint. As an actual paint layer. And it would have to be Phase-aware.... Meaning it knows which Phase it's created in, and when it's demolished.
          And it would be nice to have the Painted material export to (for instance) Navisworks. Only time I used Paint for other materials then actual painting is when I created a Mass mockup of a plan site. After this, export to NW only to find the paint isn't transferred.... bummer!
          Martijn de Riet
          Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
          MdR Advies
          Planta1 Revit Online Consulting

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            #6
            My biggest issue with the Split Face/Paint tool is that it doesn't know enough to stop at an intersecting wall.
            Lets' say you have a Corridor Wall with five offices on the other side.
            Each Office has a different material on that Wall (OK, paint color - just for you, Martijn )
            You use the Split Face on the middle office, and the next thing you know, all 5 offices have been Painted.
            Then you have to go draw a Split line at the Walls between the offices. Except Revit doesn't want you to because there's already a Wall Break there. BUT IT DOESN'T STOP THE PAINT!
            Dave Plumb
            BWBR Architects; St Paul, MN

            CADsplaining: When a BIM rookie tells you how you should have done something.

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              #7
              I would at least like the pre-2012 functionality brought back where we could paint a material parameter onto a face inside a family. I found that handy for little odds and ends.

              I too would like to see this tool improved - I typically use it for walls when placing header courses or thin, tiled skirting or splash backs. Floors are just too troublesome.
              Michael
              Canberra, Australia

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                #8
                Originally posted by Exar Kun View Post
                I would at least like the pre-2012 functionality brought back where we could paint a material parameter onto a face inside a family. I found that handy for little odds and ends.
                I'd love to have this back quickly as well.

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