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    What's the best way to make unique grids in curtain walls

    I've basically settle on two approaches, and am looking for input.
    1. draw all custom grids manually (more control, harder to change)
    2. swap panels for "borderless" curtain wall types within the overall curtain wall. (theoretically more flexible, but having issues in that it defaults to 4 vertical grids if I do a fixed number of grids.. it would be manageable with 1 vertical grid. )

    Example:
    http://tinyurl.com/q3nkngv
    Ryan Taube
    BIM Manager - Clayco Construction | Lamar Johnson Collaborative

    #2
    A trick that people tend to forget - you can swap out your curtain panel for a wall or curtain wall. If your unique pieces are the same and repeat setup your curtain wall style and just swap panels out.
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      #3
      Right, that's my #2 option. but if you do a Fixed Number of vertical grids, Revit defaults to 4 vertical. So every new panel has 4 grids, until you change the instance. Which makes it break down if you stretch the wall.

      I think the solution is to actually use Fixed Distance, and match the 'parent' curtain wall, then offset as necessary.. seems to do the trick.
      Ryan Taube
      BIM Manager - Clayco Construction | Lamar Johnson Collaborative

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        #4
        Looking at the image you could do this by making a number of "custom" panels and swapping them in and out. I don't know how big your facade is or if it the same kind of layout, but looking at the sample image there are only 4 "custom" panels that would need to be made and then you can swap those in an out to get a "random" appearing pattern. Green and orange are actually the same panel just flipped 180 deg. So it is almost only 3 panels. There is also the one "oddball" grid spacing there behind the light pole, but it takes just straight glass so that is not hard.

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        I had a student in one of my Revit classes some time ago use this approach to make a "random" CW for his project.

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        Last edited by JeffH; May 7, 2015, 07:05 PM.
        Jeff Hanson
        Sr. Subject Matter Expert
        Autodesk, Revit - User Experience

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          #5
          I guess that I'm not understanding the "randomness" of these four floors of curtain wall. Now the 2nd screen shot that Jeff posted is definitely random pattern curtain wall and the curtain wall in a curtain wall method would be useful for that. For the original 4 story curtain wall, given I had the profiles created, the mullions specified, I could build that four floors of curtain wall from scratch in less than 1/2 hour or so including the corners (which Jeff neglected to take into account in his panel count). So why all of the gyrations about replacing curtain panels with curtain walls?
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            #6
            Originally posted by ryntau View Post
            1. draw all custom grids manually (more control, harder to change)
            why are they harder to change? Do you mean moving them or changing the mullion configurations? I do curtain walls all day every day and never use a vertical or horizontal grid layout preset to any of the options therein. Always custom placed grids, vertically and horizontally and they are a snap to move or reconfigure.
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              #7
              Originally posted by Dave Jones View Post
              I could build that four floors of curtain wall from scratch in less than 1/2 hour or so including the corners (which Jeff neglected to take into account in his panel count).
              What do I know, I am (was) just a dumb Architect. I let the curtain wall detailer figure out the pesky details like "corner conditions"!

              Here is my quick mockup. It took me about 30 minutes to do.

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              Jeff Hanson
              Sr. Subject Matter Expert
              Autodesk, Revit - User Experience

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                #8
                Preset Layouts are horrifying to manage downstream, as are nested Curtain Walls. All of ours (Sa Rang, Harim, First Baptist Dallas all included) are singular curtain walls with manually placed Grid lines. Might take longer on the front end, but its worth it.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dave Jones View Post
                  why are they harder to change?
                  What I mean by hard to change, is that if I extend my curtain wall and increase the length, things go haywire, but I think that's true no matter how you approach it. Thanks for the insight guys.
                  Ryan Taube
                  BIM Manager - Clayco Construction | Lamar Johnson Collaborative

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by ryntau View Post
                    What I mean by hard to change, is that if I extend my curtain wall and increase the length, things go haywire, but I think that's true no matter how you approach it. Thanks for the insight guys.
                    That shouldn't happen if you aren't using some horizontal or vertical layout setting other than None. If it is happening with custom placed grids I'd like to see that curtain wall frame.
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