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    Inserting niche often distorts plan display of layers in walls

    A very annoying problem I find when inserting niches into walls is that the wall display becomes distorted in plan views (see attached).

    Would anyone know why this happens and if there is a way of preventing / predicting it?
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    William Sutherland rias riba
    WS Architecture Ltd
    Tags: niche, wall opening
    #2
    I have used a "window" family with no frame or trim , that does not cut the full wall width for making niches, and it seems to do the trick.

    See attached.
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    Cliff B. Collins
    Registered Architect
    The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects, St. Louis, MO
    Autodesk Expert Elite

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      #3
      Thanks very much - I'll give it a try :beer:
      William Sutherland rias riba
      WS Architecture Ltd

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        #4
        I must be doing something wrong somewhere as the family seems to cut right through the wall and the niche is on the outside of the wall?
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        William Sutherland rias riba
        WS Architecture Ltd

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          #5
          Sorry, Will

          Try this one!
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          Cliff B. Collins
          Registered Architect
          The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects, St. Louis, MO
          Autodesk Expert Elite

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            #6
            Thanks for amending it... still seems to cut the entire wall.

            In the family editor if you make the template wall 2' thick you can see it cuts through the entire wall - I can't figure out what needs locking?

            You are definitely on the right lines though - with the 'window' niche inserted on the bottom (as viewed in my plan) side of the wall I can insert my own niche family without distorting the layer display.
            As soon as I remove your family the wall display distorts, making the finish layer too wide.

            Revit started doing this a few versions ago - I don't recall it being a problem prior to maybe 2010?
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            William Sutherland rias riba
            WS Architecture Ltd

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              #7
              To take control of the niche depth, you´ll need to delete the opening, and replace it by a void, constrained to a ref. plane like in the attached.
              You could even add one or two ref. planes (with labeled dims.) to drive the interior and exterior closure.
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              Klaus Munkholm
              "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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                #8
                Bingo!

                Will the void automatically cut the host wall, or do you have to use Cut Geometry?
                ( Firewall blocked download of your example..........)

                Thanks, Klaus.
                Last edited by cliff collins; June 30, 2011, 08:44 PM.
                Cliff B. Collins
                Registered Architect
                The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects, St. Louis, MO
                Autodesk Expert Elite

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                  #9
                  You just need to cut the host wall in the family with Cut Geometry tool - In the project it´s just like inserting a window :beer:
                  Klaus Munkholm
                  "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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                    #10
                    Confirmed.

                    Works like a charm!
                    Cliff B. Collins
                    Registered Architect
                    The Lamar Johnson Collaborative Architects, St. Louis, MO
                    Autodesk Expert Elite

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