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    2011 - Visibility Controls

    I have this project. Steel framed 2 story. RST own the levels, grids, structure, floors, slabs, ect ect.... (linked)RAC owns Wall, Doors, windows, curtain walls, ect ect ect. On my drawings we show the Arch walls. Exterior walls are black, interior walls are half tone. This is controlled with a filter and parameters in the arch walls.

    My question is: Can I control the sub elements within the Arch walls(linked rvt)? I want the core of the Arch walls to be black and all the other materials and finishes to be half tone... Can I do this in 2011 with a linked file? I am at a loss with this. My engineer wants the drawings to look a certain way and I just can't seem to figure it out.

    Thanks
    -Alex Cunningham
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    You can modify visibility graphics from linked files, but what you are trying to do might not be possible, in any file, linked or not; setting the core as black and the finish layers as halftone? I don't think so, since Visibility Graphics does not have access to the settings of the individual components of the wall type. The only solution could be if the finish layers were independent, thin walls. Then you could apply a filter to change those thin walls to halftone.
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      #3
      Just "remind" your engineer that this is NOT AutoCAD and that things are going to be different and that he needs to accept change.... no... He needs to welcome change. With open, loving arms. Embrace it. Don't fight the machine. (good luck with that)

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        #4
        Hi Guys, I got a same problem, not exactly same but pretty similar.
        I am New user of Revit, I have a five years of experience of BIM, Mostly with ArchiCAD, and I understand the basic and essence of BIM. I have done huge projects with ArchiCAD and AutoCAD (especially in 3D)
        I have drawn a plane of the building and put columns there, but the structural ones which have been located into the wall, aren't visible, I mean they are graphically covered by the hatch of the wall, but in real they go through, up to the roof.
        And I wanna make them seen and understandable that the wall and the columns are separated, and made by different materials. (The walls have been made by bricks and the columns by concrete, and therefore I made them by different hatches) otherwise it is changing the meaning of the type of the structure of the building.
        I wanna that the hatch of the wall to be under the hatch of the column.

        In AutoCAD it's simple, just you need to use "DISPLAY ORDER" and send back or bring front everything you want to... same thing happens into ArchiCAD...

        But I have no idea how to do that in Revit...

        I think you guys, would help me...
        I don't wanna think that ArchiCAD is better BIM than Revit...

        Thak you in advance...
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          #5
          You could kind of do this in 2012 with the parts tool. You could set things up via materials overrides and graphic overrides so "show original" looks like the way Revit represents a wall typically and if the view is set to "show parts" it could have a 1/2 tone finish layer with a solid black core. Not sure if it would still work through a linked file, but it probably does if you use the "by linked view" setting in the host.

          Here is a movie showing how it looks in the local file.

          http://www.screencast.com/t/fzjSJE3xW
          Jeff Hanson
          Sr. Subject Matter Expert
          Autodesk, Revit - User Experience

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            #6
            Originally posted by Alex Cunningham View Post
            My question is: Can I control the sub elements within the Arch walls(linked rvt)? I want the core of the Arch walls to be black and all the other materials and finishes to be half tone... Can I do this in 2011 with a linked file? I am at a loss with this....
            Alex, in VG check the "Cut Line Styles" > Edit: Override Host Layers, set the Finish Layers to a gray scale color > OK/Finish > VG, Walls, Common Edges, set the Cut Lines to a gray scale color > OK/Done.

            Actually, just see the attached... is that what you are looking to do?

            And yes, it works with linked files too... :beer:
            Attached Files
            Klaus Munkholm
            "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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              #7
              Originally posted by Munkholm View Post
              Alex, in VG check the "Cut Line Styles" > Edit: Override Host Layers, set the Finish Layers to a gray scale color > OK/Finish > VG, Walls, Common Edges, set the Cut Lines to a gray scale color > OK/Done.

              Actually, just see the attached... is that what you are looking to do?

              And yes, it works with linked files too... :beer:
              Munkholm! POTM for you! Where had that dialog box been all this time? :hide:
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                #8
                Originally posted by Hephaestus View Post
                ...I wanna that the hatch of the wall to be under the hatch of the column...
                Believe that you must have placed a "Architectural" column... Try with a "Structural" column instead.

                "Architectural" columns automatically joins with the walls, and inherit the walls materials... :beer:
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                Klaus Munkholm
                "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Alfredo Medina View Post
                  Munkholm! POTM for you! Where had that dialog box been all this time? :hide:
                  LOL - Don´t remember it NOT being there...
                  Klaus Munkholm
                  "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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                    #10
                    Hmm... But it just edits the line styles, though. So it is still true that you cannot select hatch patterns or materials for the individual components within a wall type from VG. Can you?
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