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**iru69** · October 19, 2014, 05:30 PM

Hi Marcello,

I almost always model the floor finishes in projects as separate floor elements, e.g. wood floor finish for living spaces, carpet for bedrooms, and tile floor for kitchen and bathrooms. In my experience here in the US, the "top of floor", i.e. floor level, is always to top of sheathing, since floor finish thicknesses can vary.

Not sure if that answers what you were trying to get at.

**MPwuzhere** · October 19, 2014, 06:21 PM

Separate floors, separate workset, as only want to see floor patterns on floor pattern plans and 3D views. Yeah, I could just turn off patterns in the view, but in some cases I do want to see them on other items and don't want to bother with filters for it.

**snowyweston** · October 19, 2014, 06:40 PM

3 Floors : Structure > Substrate > Finish w/ the first almost always modeled by the S.Eng team on the project.

No relation to (Revit's) room* (modeling) per say, more the interface/junction/edge details of each finish type (within practical limits of model accuracy)

*we're using Revit's room tool less and less these days - given it's non-compliant (to our requirements) means of measuring

**Twiceroadsfool** · October 19, 2014, 07:27 PM

Separate modeled floors. Controlled graphically through Filters in View Templates. Zero relationship to the Room Elements in the model, whatsoever. And that is intentional, and how it will always remain for us.

**MPwuzhere** · October 20, 2014, 04:23 AM

Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post

Separate modeled floors. Controlled graphically through Filters in View Templates. Zero relationship to the Room Elements in the model, whatsoever. And that is intentional, and how it will always remain for us.

View Templates from start=Workset visibility later...... Either way, controlled visibility...

**marcello** · October 20, 2014, 06:43 AM

Thanks for all this info!!
sounds like most of you model the finished floors as separate floor elements
..... so
.....If there is "no" relationship from the finished floor and the Room Elements do you still model rooms? and if you do model rooms then in most cases do the finished floors match the extents of the rooms?
thanks

**iru69** · October 20, 2014, 06:51 AM

I don't think we understand what you mean by "model rooms"?

**snowyweston** · October 20, 2014, 08:06 AM

As in place them Iru*/Marcello?

No, no relationship - but yes, we place them still (for spatial awareness of equipment scheduling and for spatial tagging) but because of their global be-all-and-end-all setting "to-face" OR to "wall-centre" setting, we can't rely on their areas, or their spatial nature, as a guide for the "real" extent of "real" things - like floors & ceilings.

As a first start, addins that read rooms and generate elements are useful for "getting stuff in" but subsequent editing (to door thresholds, divisions in rooms, etc) often means more retrospective changes take longer than simply aiming to do it right in the first place.

EDIT *could've swore that was Mr Davies and not Iru this morning!?

**soender** · October 20, 2014, 12:13 PM

Generally speaking: one contractor = one object. So yes, finishes are modelled seperately. No direct link between modelled finish and room finish. Room finish parameters, are used for a more general description. A room could easily cover several modelled finishes.
Be aware, that the relation between modelled finish and room finish, can be read in .IFC (if exported correctly). That reference is (I believe) created during export.

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