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    Standardising family creation in the United Kingdom

    Do any users in the UK have procedures and protocols set up for family creation? CIBSE are looking at setting up a specification for such activities to allow the M&E industry in the UK to work together with BIM.
    What experience in family creation and the protocols therein do you guys have?
    Don't cry, don't raise your eye, it's only Revit wasteland.

    #2
    Just tell them to adopt the RFO Style Guide
    Klaus Munkholm
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      #3
      In all seriousness Klaus, they could do a whole lot worse - and from what I've (not) "heard" they may just well have done knowing the extent of bureaucratic mincing and overkill our government bodies are prone to! :banghead:


      Mog, so far, there isn't really one - space are doing a good job of getting online content available through (their) bimstore to meet certain criteria, but that's a private enterprise, as are most of our endeavours so far. If you've not already, might I suggest you seek out the LRUG (London Revit User Group) if you're in London, or any number of the other *RUG's getting set up by BIM-keenos in the country - then you might be privvy to, and able to contribute to, such discussions.

      But remember, as with all things, it'll only be guidance - not sacrosanct law. Just consider yourself fortunate in that you've not spent the last four years developing a system you and your firm are happy with that may well be thrown into chaos v.soon.
      Last edited by snowyweston; June 29, 2011, 07:57 AM.

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        #4
        Thank you chaps.
        We have engaged with the BRUG (LRUG for Bristol), however some colleagues and I are part of the CIBSE BIM group who are looking at library creation hence my question. it is interesting to see what standards, if any other Revit markets have adopted. There doesn't seem to be much by way of "pushing together" in other countries as each firm is pushing on their own taking into account relevant standards etc.
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          #5
          Originally posted by mog505 View Post
          There doesn't seem to be much by way of "pushing together" in other countries as each firm is pushing on their own taking into account relevant standards etc.
          The thing I don't get, and hate about the concept (although I welcome the standardisation) are the liberties it will no doubt take in enforcing protocols that don't scale particularly well - or allow for user/company customisation.

          The loss of another great chunk of the creative process of design is a worry (however much one might argue it doesn't, presentation does matter) and then there's the content. It's no good telling us all to do it one way, then not back that up with the content.

          Are we all going to be looking at a CIBSE shared parameter file? Are we all going to be able to download CIBSE titleblocks? Are we all going to be following the same LOD as everyone else on every project, regardless of contract or client? Are there going to be massive libraries created, managed and shared out by the CIBSE? I find that v.hard to believe.

          I guess what I'm getting at is that there needs to be flexibility in the document - not constriction...

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            #6
            Well, I'm participating in the Dutch RUG in writing the Best Practise. With the horrordocument written for ADT in mind (700 pages of restrictions) we're trying to keep this to the bare minimum. We specified and maintain a Shared Parameter File (which is an absolute nessecity when you want to collaborate with other firms). We explained different categories and how to (not) use them. Now we are finalising the part which handles the collaboration itself. Which party needs what info, and how to best provide it. Last part will zoom in on different parts of the design team and their workflow.

            We do NOT provide families. Why? Because that means a whole lot of work (and it's all on voluntary base), discussions and restraints. Our Best Practise only involves stuff which can be argumented beyond a doubt. Families are by definition arbitrary...
            Martijn de Riet
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              #7
              Martijn,
              Thank you for your reply. To say it piqued my interest would be an understatement.
              We are staring down the lines that you are on, and we have identified a comprehensive shared parameter file as being the vital first step.
              Would the DRUG (for want of a better acronym) consider sharing their shared parameter file? Obviously between The Netherlands and the UK there will be a great deal which is lost in translation, however it would be very rewarding to see how you have gone about organising your file.
              Obviously it will be understandable if you wish to keep this thing to yourselves but it would be negligent of me not to ask.
              I note with interest your comment on not providing families. We are currently having the discussion on whether we will do so or not and there are compelling arguments on both sides. Personally I may be inclined to side myself with the approach you have taken.

              Many thanks,

              Andy
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                #8
                Sure, they are public and found here.
                Also the first two parts of the Best Practise are found here.

                If you have any problems with translating them, please post it or PM me.

                btw: we are looking into providing family TEMPLATES already adjusted for the DRUG Best Practise and Shared Parameters. But even that is point of discussion. Let's face it: put 100 companies in a room, and they'll all have different methods of creating their families. It's simply not doable to find a common approach. And waaayyy to constraining!
                Martijn de Riet
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                  #9
                  Also check out http://www.anzrs.org/blog/ which is an initiative in Australia/NZ for content standards

                  I think the format of this document is what the industry needs, MEP is not 100% covered yet, but they are working with another party (the AMCA) who are helping develop or more concise set of MEP requirements

                  The ANZRS pack includes minimum compliance requirements, advanced desirable requirements, and shared parameters. And it's free to download
                  Revit BLOGGAGE

                  http://www.revic.org.au

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                    #10
                    We're currently working on MEP too. There hasn't been enough experience with MEP in Holland, so this is under construction.
                    Quick question off topic: what kind of people/firms are participating in your RUG? How are you organised? Just curious...
                    Martijn de Riet
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