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    Rooms inside rooms... best practice?

    Hi guys.

    There's a situation in my office that has never been solved, and I'm giving it a (hard) try.

    When we design department stores, our client asks us for three different kinds of areas:
    - First, the "net area", which includes the area used by one specific brand in the store.
    - Second, the "gross area", which includes the anterior plus a section of the store aisle.
    - Third, the "world area", which includes all brands of one kind (or sections in the store, for example, men - women - kids...)

    The condition is that there must be a tag that shows both first and second areas, and another tag for third area (both tags must show the total area in m²), and create a room/area scheme.

    We have tried two solutions, but none of them works at 100%.
    1. Use "rooms" for 'net area', "rentable area" for 'gross area' and include 'world area' as a "comment" in rentable areas, so we can group them in a schedule. The problem here is we cannot add a tag (that includes the total m²) for "comment".

    2. Use HVAC Zones and Spaces. But these elements don't work when we use Design Options.

    Any suggestion for achieving this?... I still think it's possible!


    Thanks!

    (I hope the post is understandable, and yet not so damn long)

    #2
    Rooms have a Department and Occupant parameter built-in to them by default - have you looked into them at all? You can sort and filter your schedules with them as well as create color fills & legends. If you have done that already you could create a couple shared parameters to achieve a similar effect.

    Can you post a dumbed down file with what you want? I'm not completely clear on the breakdown of spaces.
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      #3
      Yes, I'm aware of Department and Occupant. That's kind of we currently do, but we can't "calculate totals" (can we?) and definitely can't add a tag with area in floor plan.

      I'm posting a file with an example. See the "Level 1 Area Plan", which has 'area tags' and 'room tags'. Areas have a 'comment' for grouping purposes, but that's the thing: I need the total (in m²) of elements with the same 'comment'. The file has a grouped schedule as well.


      Regards
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        #4
        Originally posted by Jaime View Post
        Yes, I'm aware of Department and Occupant. That's kind of we currently do, but we can't "calculate totals" (can we?) and definitely can't add a tag with area in floor plan.
        You can sort your schedule by Department / Occupant and get a total there. You can also add Department (or Occupant) to your room tag.
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          #5
          Originally posted by cellophane View Post
          You can sort your schedule by Department / Occupant and get a total there. You can also add Department (or Occupant) to your room tag.
          But can I add the Dpartment / Occupant total to the room tag?

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            #6
            Rooms are ideal for NET area.
            Area Scheme for Gross Building (built in area scheme)
            New Area Scheme for World Area (plans dedicated to this scheme allow for unique Area boundaries to define portions of the tenant space that might not be easily describe with traditional "boundaries" like walls or floor patterns.

            Views dedicated to each
            Schedules dedicated to each

            Assembled onto sheets separately or overlay views to combine things if necessary.
            Last edited by Steve_Stafford; July 15, 2014, 07:08 PM.

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              #7
              Originally posted by Steve_Stafford View Post
              New Area Scheme for World Area
              That seems very interesting... but how do I create 'bigger areas'? I mean, I can't put areas where there's already one. I should define new boundaries, but those are already created too...


              Originally posted by Steve_Stafford View Post
              traditional "boundaries" like walls or floor patterns
              I think I'm missing something here... what do you mean by that?
              Last edited by Jaime; July 15, 2014, 07:37 PM. Reason: added quote credit

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                #8
                I've attached a mockup of what I described. It's a Revit 2015 file in a zip file.
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                  #9
                  Thanks Steve, I'll give it a thorough look tomorrow.

                  But, at first sight, for my purposes (client purposes actually), "men" and "women" zones should include the smaller zones, such as exercise, jackets or sale in your file.

                  Anyway, that's just the first look... I definitely shall give this an "in-depth try".
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                    #10
                    Each smaller zone can carry a parameter to indicate what they have in common (Men, Women etc...). Put another way, if you just want a summary of area dedicated to men that includes all the smaller item areas, then I'd only define that portion of the plan with boundaries. Then I'd put an area in Men and Women. When the client asks how much area is dedicated to pants versus jackets then the plan I've shown becomes useful. Separate plans (using a separate color scheme) tell the story.

                    With color fills it's paradoxical to say I want a color for all "men" but then also want a unique color for exercise/men and jackets/men. We can't overlay the different requirements without competing color fills appearing. That's why we use multiple area schemes, color fills and plans to tell the whole story. You can show the area dedicated to men/women, another to show how much is dedicated to product lines, another for types of clothing, another for pricing ranges, another for shelves versus racks...and so on. The schedules can group smaller area elements by different parameters so you can show how much area is dedicated to men, or jackets, or undergarments etc...

                    Creating a new Area Scheme > Architecture ribbon > click Room & Area panel "sneaky arrow" > Area and Volume Computations > Area Schemes tab > New

                    When you create an Area Plan you can choose from this list of Area Schemes, important to remember to do so because Revit always defaults to the stock Gross Building (and we can't delete it either) scheme.
                    Last edited by Steve_Stafford; July 15, 2014, 10:05 PM.

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