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    How do you model Kingspan Metal Panels usually?

    Looking for best practices, thanks!

    #2
    I don't know what Kingspan Metal Panels are (I'm assuming it's just a brand name) but... there are all sorts of ways depending on you need/tolerance for manual work.

    I've done everything from standard Walls with either Surface Patterns (for regular spacings) or Model Lines (for irregular spacings) to Curtain Walls and Panels with the occasional Adaptive Component for non-rectangular areas. The first is fast and cheap but doesn't do anything more for you than provide a graphic and, maybe, an overall area of materials, the second is long and laborious but gets you schedules of panel sizes, provides for the option to have different panel profiles, materials, etc. and, if modeled correctly, gives you much better renderings.

    I tend towards the later option these days.
    Greg McDowell Jr
    about.me/GMcDowellJr

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      #3
      Originally posted by GMcDowellJr View Post
      I don't know what Kingspan Metal Panels are (I'm assuming it's just a brand name) but... there are all sorts of ways depending on you need/tolerance for manual work.

      I've done everything from standard Walls with either Surface Patterns (for regular spacings) or Model Lines (for irregular spacings) to Curtain Walls and Panels with the occasional Adaptive Component for non-rectangular areas. The first is fast and cheap but doesn't do anything more for you than provide a graphic and, maybe, an overall area of materials, the second is long and laborious but gets you schedules of panel sizes, provides for the option to have different panel profiles, materials, etc. and, if modeled correctly, gives you much better renderings.

      I tend towards the later option these days.
      Kingspan panels are insulated metal panels with ribbed exterior faces of various configurations. Similar to Centria Formabond panels. I also use your latter method (curtain panels) to create this type of panel as I must have schedules of marks and sizes. Fortunately with this panel type building faces are pretty generic and I haven't had to delve into patterned shape panels yet.
      I'm retired, if you don't like it, go around!

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        #4
        Hi guys,

        Thanks for your input.
        Do you use a mulionless curtain wall system with a 'metal panel' you created?
        Any examples of this executed you might know of?

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          #5
          Originally posted by veuxx View Post
          Hi guys,

          Thanks for your input.
          Do you use a mulionless curtain wall system with a 'metal panel' you created?
          Any examples of this executed you might know of?
          while curtain walls don't have to have mullions I use one in my panel systems to indicate where panel joints occur. You can make a parametric joint profile, load it into your project and create a joint mullion. Then place grids, if you haven't already defined their location in your cw layout. Try it out, it's easier than you think. I frankly don't bother with the panel groove patterns in my curtain panels. To me they just make a big black mess out of the elevations. Flat panels with a surface pattern then the actual panel configuration is handled in the details.
          I'm retired, if you don't like it, go around!

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            #6
            Thanks Dave. I appreciate it.

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              #7
              The only issue I have had with using curtain walls for wall panels is if the panel is an irregular shape and your trying to use a custom panel it won't work. I had custom panels that had the returns at edges or at windows and once it was something other than a square or rectangle it would break. So system panels have to be used or a masking region in elevations (if scale allows/needed)
              Michael "MP" Patrick (Deceased - R.I.P)

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                #8
                Originally posted by MPwuzhere View Post
                The only issue I have had with using curtain walls for wall panels is if the panel is an irregular shape and your trying to use a custom panel it won't work. I had custom panels that had the returns at edges or at windows and once it was something other than a square or rectangle it would break. So system panels have to be used or a masking region in elevations (if scale allows/needed)
                agreed, see the first line of my sig...
                I'm retired, if you don't like it, go around!

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                  #9
                  I typically just use a basic wall with a surface pattern for IMP. Our drawings for the types of industrial projects using these panels typically don't get to the level of detail that we'd need panel schedules or tags as that's what the shop drawings are for. Also, it's much easier to add and move doors and other openings in a basic wall compared to a curtain wall. For enlarged details I'll just use a detail component to show the panel joints.

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                    #10
                    Non-rectangular panel shapes problem can be solved by creating custom panels for which Revit thinks that are rectangular, but are modeled in a way you want. When you create rectangular space for panels using wall profile tool and CW grids, you can replace panels with custom panels that can be modeled freely but which extents fit in rectangular surface. Using same workflow, you can create panels with openings, cut corners etc.
                    It is a lot of work and I can recommend it only at a finishing stage of design, certainly not in SD or DD.

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