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    Hey all,

    We are just about to start a large hospital project and we will be discussing the roles and responsibilities for each of the consultants.
    It will be along the lines of IPD. Consultants models will be linked into the architectural for co-ordination purposes and possibly used for FM at a later date.
    What I am curious about is this. As the architects, we are responsible for locating the bed heads, which contain a substantial amount of equipment, some of which are classed as mechanical and electrical.
    So, my question is, if we model the bed head with whatever architectural components, who is responsible for the mech and elec equipment on that bed head?

    Should this be modeled and included in the architectural scope or should the consultants locate their own equipment?
    Andrew Harp
    BIM Manager GHD
    If you are not willing to learn, no one can help you.
    If you are determined to learn, no one can stop you.

    #2
    Spell it out in your BIM Execution Document before ANYONE starts modeling, so there isnt any confusion. If everyone knows whats expected of them from day 1, it doesnt really matter which way you go. Headboards, Med Gas, and some equipment we model in Architecture, although some of the large scale equipment will get remodeled by the Equipment Consultant (not including headboards). The MEP folks can either connect to our stuff, or make their own. We leave it up to them for their ease and comfort, but ask that they decide before we start anything.
    Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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      #3
      Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
      Spell it out in your BIM Execution Document before ANYONE starts modeling, so there isnt any confusion. If everyone knows whats expected of them from day 1, it doesnt really matter which way you go. Headboards, Med Gas, and some equipment we model in Architecture, although some of the large scale equipment will get remodeled by the Equipment Consultant (not including headboards). The MEP folks can either connect to our stuff, or make their own. We leave it up to them for their ease and comfort, but ask that they decide before we start anything.
      Thanks for that. I was kind of leaning this way. It just makes sense for us to model the bed head and associated equipment and have the consultants tie in as required.
      I think you are right for the bigger stuff. Definitely leave it to the associated consultants to model that.
      Andrew Harp
      BIM Manager GHD
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        #4
        Hey Aaron,
        Any chance you could pst an example of a BIM Execution Document?
        I am curious to see how you set it out.
        Andrew Harp
        BIM Manager GHD
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          #5
          Ours is rather large, at 73 pages. Im not in a position to hand it out currently, but its something i wrote up just starting at the beginning of a job, and thinking through all of the "gotchas" that come up on a project.

          Who is modeling what? WHEN are they modeling it? To what level of detail? In what software? To what granularity? How are models transmitted? With what documentation? When will files get sent? What are the requirements for SD? DD? As builts? Do people use Imported CAD Geometry in their families? Do they use Phasing? Worksets? File Structure, etc. What Category hacks are people using that were okay with? Or not okay with?

          Just start typing. Order and hierarchy comes after you start typing a lot of it.
          Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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            #6
            Originally posted by Drew View Post
            Hey Aaron,
            Any chance you could pst an example of a BIM Execution Document?
            I am curious to see how you set it out.
            There is an AU Virtual Class for that in AU2010. Go to au.autodesk.com (I believe) and search for class nr CR427-2L. It'll pop up with all documentary needed.
            Martijn de Riet
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              #7
              Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
              Ours is rather large, at 73 pages.
              The one I "inherited" is a similar size. I hate it and I'm working on slimming it down because no one save me has actually read it.
              :banghead:

              But seeing as we're on the topic, a question or two for you Aaron.

              1. Is your BEP written as an internal company-obligations only document, an external document of the same, or one that incorporates the wider team and their responsibilities also?

              2. How, if at all, do you tie your BEP to other team member's, or even client, BEPs? Does being, if you are, the lead consultant (project/bim/both) affect your approach?

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                #8
                I wont slim ours down because every one of those 73 pages is critically important, and if people on the team cant be bothered to read it, i cant be bothered to work with them.

                1. It is a document that gets signed by all parties and included in the contracts. It also affects subcontractors, 3D coordination procedures, as-builts, and what will get turned over to the client at the end (if anything).

                2. It depends on the project, and everyones role. If we are the Architect, and the consultants contracts are with us, we use ours. If we are all contracted under the owner, we bring ours, and its obviously a discussion of the entire project team.
                Aaron "selfish AND petulant" Maller |P A R A L L A X T E A M | Practice Technology Implementation
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                  #9
                  A fine response. Thank you.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
                    Ours is rather large, at 73 pages. Im not in a position to hand it out currently,..... .
                    Cheers Aaron,
                    I thought that would be the case, but figured I would ask anyway. If you don't ask you don't get right?

                    Another facet to this would be a joint venture situation.
                    Who controls the family content. I can only assume that the content creation and office protocols from 2 different offices would differ greatly, thus having a mixture of family content in the model. So who provides the family content for the project? How does the second company get access to these families during the documentation process?
                    Last edited by Drew; June 1, 2011, 02:11 AM.
                    Andrew Harp
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