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    Storefront commercial doors for DD2 phase

    I would like to make far more detailed as it is now in floor plan. I used curtain walls and storefront and i added some mullions, wanted to make window frame more detailed but it took me few hours just to play with mullions, sux. So i want to show all layers of glazing, connections , window frame detailing. Should i try to make detail component? or is there any easy way of working with curtain wall/storefront/mullions in order to model it in 3d?
    workflow workflow.. help :coffee:
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    #2
    You can create custom mullion profiles for 3D appearances... but would recommend using Detail Components, maybe nested into the mullions.

    Or maybe a combination, creating the 3D mullion to get "close" and add excess detailing with nested Detail Components... Guess it depends on the complexity of the mullion shape, and the amount of detail you need to show.
    Klaus Munkholm
    "Do. Or do not. There is no try."

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      #3
      I would also take a closer look at the endpoints of the storefront in Floor plan there seems to be a discrepancy between left and right endpoints. (right side is embedded in the wall
      Juan Carlos Moreno
      Store Designer & Merchandising Manager
      Sisley Cosmetics

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        #4
        Yeah i was trying to make my custom, then i realized that every part of the window is pretty much different and i need to rotate and set offset as well craete many generic profiles. Lastly i said f it, and i put random mullion, i guess ill work with detail component, it will be much faster in order to make 2d drawing for detail design.

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          #5
          Trying to model a curtain wall with all the actual profiles can be very time consuming and frustrating if you don't have all the profiles ready, the time, and/or the specialized knowledge of how all the pieces are put together. As an alternative, you could model the curtain wall with generic mullions, just basic rectangles, without detail components, just with the correct width and depth, and then make callouts and section marks in your plans and elevations, which refer to 2D details.
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            #6
            Thats great solution, but i need to show pretty much detailed window framing, that will show for the contractor what type of window and mounting will suit, so window contractor would know how to mount it. The detail more precise will be available later, when he gets contract. So the connection, place for silicone, membrane, almost precise window frame should be shown. I guess i do not know well now specialized knowledge of how all the pieces are put together. So for more than newbie user i will chose detail component, some peaces or even just whole window i will hide in plan view, and i will draw detail component in generic detail component family. Thanks for inspiration

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              #7
              I would add at least the base profile for the mullion (since other nested components won't be tagged).
              And I would take this chance to ask how you guys set the plane for the curtains walls/systems: glass exterior face or something else?
              Gonçalo Feio
              "Ignorance, ignorance, sheer ignorance - you know there's no confidence to equal it. It's only when you know something about a profession, I think, that you're timid and careful." George Orson Welles

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                #8
                bangobeat, take a look at this old chunk of details.
                If you open a few of the aluminium sections and accessories you will see how the reference planes help placing components together.
                Please no comments on the keynotes. They are incomplete and some are wrong
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                Gonçalo Feio
                "Ignorance, ignorance, sheer ignorance - you know there's no confidence to equal it. It's only when you know something about a profession, I think, that you're timid and careful." George Orson Welles

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by bangobeat View Post
                  Thats great solution, but i need to show pretty much detailed window framing, that will show for the contractor what type of window and mounting will suit, so window contractor would know how to mount it. The detail more precise will be available later, when he gets contract. So the connection, place for silicone, membrane, almost precise window frame should be shown. I guess i do not know well now specialized knowledge of how all the pieces are put together. So for more than newbie user i will chose detail component, some peaces or even just whole window i will hide in plan view, and i will draw detail component in generic detail component family. Thanks for inspiration
                  <start rant>
                  this will probably cause quite the furor here considering all of the Architects that frequent this forum but here's my opinion as one who has been in the glass enclosure (curtain walls, window walls, windows, etc) business for 40+ years.

                  DON'T DETAIL THE SPECIFICS! Specify what the requirements are with great care and consideration. What's the code requirement for wind, water, and seismic? What framing/glass systems do you want? Are they rain screen? Is pressure equalization a consideration? What are the aesthetic principles? Do you know that what you want will work? Please tell us EXACTLY where your dimensional constraints are to and from. And on and on. You don't need to show me what the framing jamb looks like, or where the membrane goes, or how flashing laps work. That's my job, to show you that the Glazing Contractor will furnish and install the materials correctly to meet the specified contract requirements.

                  All specific details done by an Architect are for the most part a waste of everyone's time. You know a little bit about everything. I know everything about glazing systems. Let me do my job...same for all of the other skilled subcontractors that you will be dealing with.
                  <end rant>
                  I'm retired, if you don't like it, go around!

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Dave Jones View Post
                    <start rant>
                    this will probably cause quite the furor here considering all of the Architects that frequent this forum but here's my opinion as one who has been in the glass enclosure (curtain walls, window walls, windows, etc) business for 40+ years.

                    DON'T DETAIL THE SPECIFICS! Specify what the requirements are with great care and consideration. What's the code requirement for wind, water, and seismic? What framing/glass systems do you want? Are they rain screen? Is pressure equalization a consideration? What are the aesthetic principles? Do you know that what you want will work? Please tell us EXACTLY where your dimensional constraints are to and from. And on and on. You don't need to show me what the framing jamb looks like, or where the membrane goes, or how flashing laps work. That's my job, to show you that the Glazing Contractor will furnish and install the materials correctly to meet the specified contract requirements.

                    All specific details done by an Architect are for the most part a waste of everyone's time. You know a little bit about everything. I know everything about glazing systems. Let me do my job...same for all of the other skilled subcontractors that you will be dealing with.
                    <end rant>
                    Well said Dave.
                    Totally agree. I am having this exact discussion with a client right now. He wants 1:2 glazing details of junctions. I keep telling him that the glazing contractor and shop detailer don't need us to tell them how it works. They already know!!!. I guess an invoice for the time taken to detail these items might change his mind.
                    Andrew Harp
                    BIM Manager GHD
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                    If you are determined to learn, no one can stop you.

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