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    owsj - line type in plan

    Hello All,

    I did try to find a solution to this particular situaion which is either a solved probelm or reoccuring pain in the butt problem.

    I am trying to get the owsj in my plan to show up as phanton lines.

    I have created a new line style and line pattern for the joist with the appropriate line weight that I wish to use. I have gone into the object styles and changed the joist sub catagory under the structural framing to the joist line pattern. I have checked that my structural usage is set to joist but for some reason the line will not show up a phantom line. just for kick i changed the structural usage of my support beam to the a joist and the line type changes.

    So my question is now, why won't my joist line change in plan.

    comments welcome

    Thanks.
    Kevin
    I think I am finally getting the hang of this revit stuff.
    Revit never cooperates when you're in a hurry

    #2
    Have you tried to override by filter? I think you can filter using the structural usage of the structural framing.
    HTH
    Alexandre Cantin
    "BIM is happening now! Be part of it."

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      #3
      Oh, I really dislike this problem.

      Open up your OWSJ family, switch the 3d view to coarse. There will be your problem.

      The OOTB K-Series and a few others (US Imperial library, don't know what it might show up as for you) have a total of 4 lines used for plan representation. I've taken to removing those additional 3 extra lines below for the offending families.

      It is caused by two things. First you would expect anything "in plan" to just show as a single line for structural folks. But for some reason those families have extra. It is also caused by the visibility for "3d" when the object is sloped (as is the case in a roof). Revit doesn't consider it "in plan" if the element is sloped.

      Also there is a specific sub category for structural framing for OWSJ I believe and then the usage of Joists. I can get screen shots later if this is all just confusing babble.

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      See how the visibility parameters don't allow you to turn off 3d? That's the sloping issue.
      The second screen has the lines that are causing the problem. Again, part of this only shows up when the joist is sloped.
      Last edited by TRWhitehead; February 12, 2014, 05:47 PM.
      Tom Whitehead
      BIM Herder & Revit Wrangler
      Portland, OR

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        #4
        Hey, I think I found the solution where you do not have to modify the OOTB family. I did some more poking around and in the object styles, there was an sub catagory called web joists, I changed the line pattern to the new joist line pattern I created earlier and presto, the line types changed and it seems to appear correctly. I didn't create or apply any filters (this was done in revit 2014)

        It is amazing what you can figure out after you step back, curse a couple of times, get a coffee and try again. (key word here is c...coffee)

        I was hoping that someone could give this a try on their end and see if you get the same results and let me how things turn out.

        Thanks
        Kevin
        I think I am finally getting the hang of this revit stuff.
        Revit never cooperates when you're in a hurry

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          #5
          Kevin,

          Do the joists appear the same if they are sloped?
          Tom Whitehead
          BIM Herder & Revit Wrangler
          Portland, OR

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            #6
            Originally posted by kev4174 View Post
            I was hoping that someone could give this a try on their end and see if you get the same results and let me how things turn out.Thanks
            Yuup! Works fine for me too. Interesting because I always used the filter way because I always thought it was [about] the only and/or easiest way to accomplish that. Nice to hear another way to do it.
            Alexandre Cantin
            "BIM is happening now! Be part of it."

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              #7
              Tom

              When the joists are sloped, I think revit gets confused. I raised my support beam and columns up 5'-0" on one side for kicks, the phantom line does show but shows in my opinion garbled. As it as indicated earlier, it may appear the OOTB family may still have to be modified unless there is a way around this. I have also extended the top chord on one side and even though my view range has been adjusted, the extensions still no show up on plan.

              Alex, i like your idea as well for the filters but I could never get them to work.

              Screen shot attached

              Thoughts?
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              Kevin
              I think I am finally getting the hang of this revit stuff.
              Revit never cooperates when you're in a hurry

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                #8
                I have a general idea of the sub catagory but could you post the screen shots, this should help clearify things thanks.

                on a separate note, does anyone know how to get the top chord extension to show up?
                Last edited by kev4174; February 13, 2014, 07:21 PM.
                Kevin
                I think I am finally getting the hang of this revit stuff.
                Revit never cooperates when you're in a hurry

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