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    "Mastering" Navisworks...

    The "Mastering" series of books, at least the Revit one, gets a fair amount of good press... I thumbed through one once - wasn't too blown away - and so have always opted for the community-based learning (i.e. here, there & elsewhere) resources instead.

    But Navisworks is a different kettle of fish. Very few people talk about it on the .net - there's maybe what, 3/4 blogs? And the topics/questions that do come up tend to be cyclical.

    So I was wondering, has anyone got the "Mastering Navisworks" book - and would they reccomend it? This is my £40 we're talking about here...

    #2
    Are there several to choose from? I'm only aware of Jason's book and the courseware book from Ascent.

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      #3
      Originally posted by Steve_Stafford View Post
      I'm only aware of Jason's book
      That's the one I found with Google to day when I was once again left bemused by the shoddy behaviour of the appearance profiler... I don't imagine (?) any book will have answers for the crappy aspects of the program, but maybe they'll be methods and/or solutions to streamline certain tasks - given the program functions aren't all that "deep" - it's more the unknown world of .xml editing and batch-scripting I want to get into it...

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        #4
        Originally posted by snowyweston View Post
        But Navisworks is a different kettle of fish. Very few people talk about it on the .net - there's maybe what, 3/4 blogs? And the topics/questions that do come up tend to be cyclical.
        I found, at least around here, the best place to go for Navisworks know-how is a local Contractor get-together.

        San Francisco has an informal Navis 'Users Group' that's 90% contractors talking about BIM. I don't think they even have a public website about it!

        So you might ask your contractor friends working for larger firms in your area if there is any sort of informal lunchtime get-togethers about it.
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          #5
          Originally posted by snowyweston View Post
          That's the one I found with Google to day when I was once again left bemused by the shoddy behaviour of the appearance profiler... I don't imagine (?) any book will have answers for the crappy aspects of the program, but maybe they'll be methods and/or solutions to streamline certain tasks - given the program functions aren't all that "deep" - it's more the unknown world of .xml editing and batch-scripting I want to get into it...
          you can contact me via PM and i'll give you Jason Dodds contact info...I'm sure he'd be glad to help. You can also use the contact link on his company's web site:

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            #6
            Navisworks Help file was always my way of learning things. That, and as Jeffrey mentioned, talking to other users. There's really not much community or literature on it.
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              #7
              Originally posted by tzframpton View Post
              Navisworks Help file was always my way of learning things. That, and as Jeffrey mentioned, talking to other users.
              I'd say I've maxed out the help file - but I could be misgiven - and I agree also, Jeff's on the money with the contractor thing - and I've put feelers out to my peeps on that side.

              Originally posted by tzframpton View Post
              There's really not much community or literature on it.
              I've always suspected it's the tangible-commerical interests/benefits that Navisworks can afford a contractor that keeps it behind closed doors - or least guarded by companies (or individuals). That and/or - because the GC's (at least here) have massive buying clout, they can spank money on training courses, and lean on A'desk to provide direct support/training. I could be wrong. But I don't think I'm far off. Shame.

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                #8
                I really don't think its because they're keeping any *secrets.* I think a lot of the way Navis is implemented is more Opinion based than implementing Revit. When you talk about multiple authors, multiple files, meetings, contractual obligations (or not), model fidelity and layout from the model (or more importantly... Not) the rules and strategies for how to use and be successful with navisworks, can change completely.

                For me, the help file was fine for learning the SOFTWARE portion of it. But the most important part of the lesson (for me) was sitting with Cory, the gentleman who used to support our 3D Coordination efforts. Not to ask how to hit the clash button, or the generate report button, or how to change workspace... But to ask about his workflow, what was more important when, and the process for getting through it.

                That tended to frame how i would want models delivered, who would do the exports, how often, how many exports. When to use Search sets versus when to ask for different models, and so on.

                But it sounds like thats not really what youre after, but more technobits about the program itself? I/We dont use it all for Appearances, or for Timeliner. I think they are both bags of ****. But thats just my cheap two cents.
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
                  But it sounds like thats not really what youre after, but more technobits about the program itself? I/We dont use it all for Appearances, or for Timeliner. I think they are both bags of ****.
                  You're totally on the money - and yes, I accept Navis is more about process - and the questions it prompts relate to how will it be used, not how to use it.

                  But

                  Whatever method/route of model-management that gets employs (like your example of search set vs seperate model) there are still things that need to be "done", for instance colour-override-by system/category/parameter/condition/etc, hide NIC elements, create section planes, setup views, establish hide/show behaviours, etc... and for the most part I've found "tricks n' tips" to make such things "simpler" are few and far between.

                  Hence the query re: the book(s).

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