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    2013 - Demo Plan and RCPs referencing sheet information

    I have a bunch of demo plans and RCPs that have their reference sheet as an A- sheet and not an AD- sheet. I cannot manually change this, as the properties are grayed out and inaccessible. When I had sections or elevations that had this problem I would just hide them, but there isn't a callout in the referenced views I can hide. Any ideas on what I can do?


    Thanks in advance!

    #2
    Are you saying you can't change the sheet's name? Remember a view reference tag (section line / callout / elev / etc.) only shows the info about the sheet on which that view is placed. You can't change the sheet's info by selecting the section line. Either move the view onto another sheet or rename / renumber the sheet.

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      #3
      A slightly better explanation, maybe. I have a sheet A-133. On this sheet is a floor plan its sheet title looks like this - Click image for larger version

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ID:	380332. On this floor plan, there is a section that has its callout that looks like this - Click image for larger version

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ID:	380333. I have a comment to make the bottom right of both of those callouts to show A-133 instead of what they show. I have tried swapping out the heads with the default revit ones, and anything else that I can find, but nothing changes, so it isn't a family problem as far as I can tell. Short of going through the entire set and placing text over each one of these (which I will not do, because that is just stupid), I have no solution to fix this. I haven't run into this before, but it isn't something that I had actually looked at that closely until it was a comment on a mark up. From what I can gather from our previous submissions is that this wasn't a problem before.

      Thanks again for the help.

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        #4
        The first reference number is the sheet that the plan is on, the second is the sheet that the section is on. To change it to A-133, the section needs to be on that sheet.

        Or, if the sheet is correct, you'll need to renumber the sheet to what you want (assuming that number doesn't already exist in the project).
        Last edited by dzatto; October 17, 2013, 01:34 PM.
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          #5
          Originally posted by dzatto View Post
          The first reference number is the sheet that the plan is on, the second is the sheet that the section is on. To change it to A-133, the section needs to be on that sheet.

          Or, if the sheet is correct, you'll need to renumber the sheet to what you want (assuming that number doesn't already exist in the project).
          This isn't exactly correct, I believe. Bear with me, since I don't use the "reference sheet" parameter At all (I think its pointless). The field on the left is showing you the sheet number of a view that shows the section mark, but the are many views that might show that section mark.

          i think Steve stafford has a blog post from a while ago that explains the behavior (I might be dreaming tho) but I think in a "reference view" parameter, it will fill out the first sheet it finds with the section mark visible. For instance... Go delete the plan off the a-101 sheet and I think those markers will all change to a-201, for instance.then I think you can put the view back on a-101 and the marker will stay a-201. Not a great answer, but it's a complex system since "many views" can show the section markers...
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            #6
            You're probably right. I don't use them either (never saw the point). I just changed them in a project to see the behavior of the second number (which is the one the OP is asking about). I correct on that one, right? It's the sheet the actual section or detail is on.

            I'm checking your theory on the firsts number now to see if it changes. One sec...

            And aren't you on vacation? What the hell are you doing in here? you should be :beer: :laugh:

            Okay, you are partially correct. I deleted the floor plans off my A-101 sheet (which is what the referenced views were showing), and now they are showing the A-102 sheet.
            Then, I added them back to the A-101 sheet and they changed back to A-101. So I guess it picks up the first sheet that the callout is on. Regardless of when it's placed.
            Last edited by dzatto; October 17, 2013, 01:57 PM.
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              #7
              Still on the plane. Nothing else to do. Lol
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                #8
                The section mark, I understand, and have known that it would display on the first sheet it appears on the set. I wasn't sure if it was linked with the second problem, that of the drawing titles having mismatching reference information, which is why I brought it into the discussion. Anyone have any idea on what to do with the second problem, the mismatching reference information with my plans? Short of making my company change standards (which probably won't go over well since I am still relatively new here) I am not sure how to get this problem to right itself...granted changing the graphic to not back reference would be the easier of the fixes.

                Thanks again!

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                  #9
                  I don't quite understand then. Is the section not on sheet A-401? You want it to show it's on sheet A-133? Then put it on sheet A-133. What am I missing here?

                  Just FYI, I changed the PLAN VIEWS to show referenced sheets (just to see what happens). As far as the plan views go, I can't tell why it's showing the sheets it shows. And really don't understand why you would need to reference another view on your plan views. I can see why you'd do it on a section or a callout, but not a plan.
                  Last edited by dzatto; October 17, 2013, 02:36 PM.
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by dzatto View Post
                    I don't quite understand then. Is the section not on sheet A-401? You want it to show it's on sheet A-133? Then put it on sheet A-133. What am I missing here?

                    Just FYI, I changed the PLAN VIEWS to show referenced sheets (just to see what happens). As far as the plan views go, I can't tell why it's showing the sheets it shows. And really don't understand why you would need to reference another view on your plan views. I can see why you'd do it on a section or a callout, but not a plan.
                    I'm not asking about the section, I understand what's going on with that, the question in hand is the plan reference. As far as why we have it referencing, I have no idea why we do that other than "office standards". The plan reference is pointing towards A-201 which is a sheet of elevations, see here - Click image for larger version

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ID:	380336 It should not be reading as A-201|A-133, but it should be A-133|A-133. Short of having a discussion with some senior staff as to why they need to change their standards, I have no idea what else to do.

                    I'm experimenting with a few things while in the process of picking up last minute redlines for our submission today.


                    **UPDATE** I just deleted the elevation views on 201 and the reference changed to 202, so this seems like it will only go away if I remove all of the elevations....bleh
                    Last edited by roseman5285; October 17, 2013, 02:55 PM. Reason: update

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