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    Railings: where do you put your sketch line

    Philosophically, I think there are two ways to approach this.
    1: The railing is defined such that the sketch line is either at the center of the railing, or the edge/face near the wall. in either case, the sketch line is "about" the railing itself.
    2: The railing is defined such that the sketch line is at the adjacent wall or other "control" surface. If you want to move the railing further away from the wall, you change the definition, rather than change the sketch line.

    My preference is for the second, as we do lots of very consistent stuff, and we want everything to update if anything does. There really would never be a condition where a railing would be the same profile, but a different distance off the wall.

    For a very custom railing I would go the other way, making sure that the sketch line related to the railing itself. My guess is we would be 90% "sketch along the wall" and 10% "sketch along the railing".

    Just wondering how others do it and what the logic behind the decision is.

    Note that the OOTB railings do neither. The pipe railing actually has an offset of 1", for a 1 1/2" railing, putting the sketch line an arbitrary .25"outside the wall side of the rail. My guess is the rail was 2" when first made 10 years ago, and the 1" offset meant the sketch was on the wall side edge, then someone changed the rail to 1 1/2" because that is the more common condition, the offset was never updated, and users have had a bad example OOTB ever since. Yeah, I think the OOTB content could use a little polish.

    Gordon
    Pragmatic Praxis

    #2
    I use the outer edge of stair/inner edge of control surface. So either the outside of the stringer or the inside of the wall.

    FWIW, i know some people at the Factory have been looking to address the quality of the OOTB content. Its quite the undertaking, for a bunch of reasons, but at least they are "looking..."
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      #3
      Given the two choices presented...I find that I draw most railings according to option 1. However, no matter what method it seems I always end up drawing railings twice to get them right. It's not a very intuitive kind of tool but I'm not sure how it could be made more so.

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        #4
        Originally posted by Twiceroadsfool View Post
        FWIW, i know some people at the Factory have been looking to address the quality of the OOTB content. Its quite the undertaking, for a bunch of reasons, but at least they are "looking..."
        I have been hoping for that for years. Doing it won't sell more Revit, not doing won't sell less Revit. But not doing it makes the product look bad, and someone should care about that. Now would be a GREAT time to do it too, as finding an army of experienced Revit users, who know how this stuff works "in the field", and have time on their hands, is way too easy right now.

        Gordon
        Pragmatic Praxis

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          #5
          I'd say it depends on the type of railing and how it's mounted. If it's mounted to the wall, then the wall serves as the reference plane for the sketch, and the offset is set up accordingly in the railing type properties.

          If it's meant to be mounted to the top of the stringer, then either the inside or outside of the face of the stringer would work (as long as your stringers are always the same width, otherwise I'd have no offset defined in the type properties and just offset the sketch line to be centered on the stringer).

          If the rail is mounted to the outside of the stringer, I'd have it offset in the type properties and draw the sketch line aligned with the outside of the stringer.

          Arcturis
          BIM Manager
          Associate Architect

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            #6
            Always option 2, and the placement of the sketchline is defined by the place where it's mounted. The location of a railing is almost never about the railing, but about the stairs / landing / floor edge. So it should react to that.

            That said: the OOTB stuff indeed sucks, but luckily for me I'm not using those anymore.
            Martijn de Riet
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