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    You gonna upgrade to a suite?

    So the new suites look cool.

    However, I'm getting a quote of like $5k each to upgrade from plain-jane RAC subscriptions to Building Design Premium Suites.

    The two tools I care about maybe getting are the new Sketchbook and Max. Which I could probably just buy for $5k.

    So it looks like we probably won't upgrade.


    I was wondering tho: who here is thinking they will?
    Jeffrey McGrew
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    #2
    I thought I was until I saw the price. No way my company shells out another 5K.
    Dan

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      #3
      The prices to buy a Suite aren't bad deal IMHO. The one we're looking at is $6.5k, which for what you get is pretty good if you use most of those tools.

      The problem is that the upgrade price is still a little high for us. And I don't need most of what's in the suite really. It's pretty much 100% Revit for us, we don't really use Navis (yet), we don't use MAX, we don't need AutoCAD, etc...

      I really like the new Skechbook Designer (I use Skechbook Pro 2010 a TON these days) but it's also rather expensive. It costs almost as much as Photoshop, right? And it's a whole lot more than Sketchbook Pro was right? I won my copy of Skechbook Pro 2010 at the DesignSlam, but IIRC it was only like $100 or something around that. The new one is 5X that price!
      Jeffrey McGrew
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        #4
        Originally posted by JeffreyMcGrew View Post
        The prices to buy a Suite aren't bad deal IMHO. The one we're looking at is $6.5k, which for what you get is pretty good if you use most of those tools.

        The problem is that the upgrade price is still a little high for us. And I don't need most of what's in the suite really. It's pretty much 100% Revit for us, we don't really use Navis (yet), we don't use MAX, we don't need AutoCAD, etc...

        I really like the new Skechbook Designer (I use Skechbook Pro 2010 a TON these days) but it's also rather expensive. It costs almost as much as Photoshop, right? And it's a whole lot more than Sketchbook Pro was right? I won my copy of Skechbook Pro 2010 at the DesignSlam, but IIRC it was only like $100 or something around that. The new one is 5X that price!
        Good day folks
        Just this morning I had a talk with certain "people" ragarding these upgrades.
        We are taking some of our older singe application seats to the suites.
        Bui regarding our current suites, I was told that if we perhaps hold of a bit untill later in May some time to upgrade our existing suites, that there might be some better prices thrown at us from the creators.

        So I hope it wont hurt yout to much to go with the trial version of Sketcbook Designer for a little while longer. That is if we get "those" better prices.

        On the otherhand i still prefer sketchbook pro because of it's screen shot camera.
        What a cool trick for quick design sketches.

        Cheers all.
        MW

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          #5
          I go back to the idea that the suites need to NOT be some pre-canned marketing idiocy. They have a database. Make the "Suite" as simple as a custom package. For every "extra" product you buy, you get 5% off purchase and subscription price for the group. So if someone wants Revit Architecture and Sketchbook Designer, they get them for 5% less than they would buying each separately. Someone else wants all three Revits plus 3D Studio, they get them all for 15% less than the separate pricing.

          There is ZERO chance that their limited preconceived suites will work for everyone, and a good chance that they won't work for most people. So why keep marketing this stuff as if it is all shrink wrapped boxed software on a shelf. It is a digital download, so "package" things as such. It can't really be such a hard thing to imagine or do. Plenty of small software houses are doing it now.

          Gordon
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            #6
            Originally posted by RabbitHole View Post
            On the otherhand i still prefer sketchbook pro because of it's screen shot camera.
            What a cool trick for quick design sketches.
            Oh snap! I didn't notice that was missing because I still had Sketchbook Pro on my system when I was looking at Skechbook Designer.

            That's the killer feature of Sketchbook Pro: you can grab your screen and draw over the top of it almost instantly.

            I mean, there isn't anything I can't do in Photoshop or Gimp Painter that I do in Sketchbook, it's just that it's so nice and fast to use that it's become like tracing paper to me now.
            Jeffrey McGrew
            Architect & Founder
            Because We Can, a Design-Build Studio
            Check out our new sister company Model No. making sustainable 3D printed furniture!

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              #7
              Nope, not going to upgrade. let's face it: these are prices with a real screwy ROI for a selfemployed guy like me. If anything, I cannot possibly use all the software on a regular basis.
              Martijn de Riet
              Professional Revit Consultant | Revit API Developer
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              Planta1 Revit Online Consulting

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                #8
                The thing for me is that I'm totally willing to kick down the extra in yearly subscription fees, and I'd be willing to kick down money for the upgrade/crossgrade.

                It's just that all our other software we've got from other vendors doesn't tend to have that upgrade fee cost 75% or more the price of the original product. Or if it does (in the case of Adobe) it then at least is more in the several hundred range, not the several thousand.

                So it's a little hard to swallow $4k in upgrade fees per seat to get software that isn't our primary money-maker, and when the one software we care most about in the deal (Max) costs less than $4k!
                Last edited by JeffreyMcGrew; April 21, 2011, 11:35 PM.
                Jeffrey McGrew
                Architect & Founder
                Because We Can, a Design-Build Studio
                Check out our new sister company Model No. making sustainable 3D printed furniture!

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                  #9
                  I also heard something about special promotional pricing for the suites coming in May. I wonder if it has anything to do with the Huge Announcement Coming From Autodesk! thread.

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                    #10
                    I've heard upgrades to premium are going to be free.

                    But we don't care about premium, we're upgrading one of our Revit Architecture Suites to Ultimate as we need Navisworks on a forthcoming job, and I want to play with the others (and we draw on our students' strength in Max to take rendering away from Revit)

                    I agree, the suites should have been customisable, and the prices do feel a bit big, but we've done our maths and feel the Ultimate vs Navisworks alone, is worth it.

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